ForkinGreat
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So, if you were an all powerful being tasked with setting up this ultimate cage match, what weapons, if any, would be allowed?
I would give them all cattle prods and the music of Mariah Carey.
Middle East situation
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I would give them all cattle prods and the music of Mariah Carey.
ForkinGreat
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The history of China, whilst tragic, is not relevant to the current clusterfuck in the Middle east.
ForkinGreat
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The western media and western nations have been complicit in the oppression of the Palestinians for a very long time.
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Oddjob
Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
I'd give them Fleetwood Mac, some gay porn, and a stack of Christopher Hitchens books. No-one leaves without displaying sarcastic wit and a love of surrealist comedy.
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ForkinGreat
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Middle East Monitor on Instagram: "Activist Iyad Banat arrested and assaulted by Israeli forces during live stream In a distressing incident in occupied Hebron, Iyad Banat, a Palestinian man, was arrested and brutally beaten by Israeli forces while live streaming. The altercation took place in front of his family, with Banat’s children audibly crying and pleading with the soldiers to cease their assault on their father. Despite their pleas, a soldier is heard aggressively telling them to remain silent. #palestine #israel #genocide #gaza #gazaunderattack #ceasefire #ceasefirenow #standwithpalestine"
1,810 likes, 149 comments - middleeastmonitor on November 13, 2023: "Activist Iyad Banat arrested and assaulted by Israeli forces during live stream In a distressing incident in occupied Hebron, Iyad Banat...".
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His dad was killed by Palestinian Authority forces a few years ago. a shitty shit sandwich.
Activist Nizar Banat’s death ‘unnatural’: Palestinian Authority
PA justice minister says activist Banat subjected to physical violence, his death in custody is an exceptional case.
ForkinGreat
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International law does not allow Israel to kill or harm children and bomb hospitals
The rules of war are clear: children and patients in hospital are immune from assault in all circumstances. Israel has no legal cover.
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Gotta say man whilst I don't disagree with a lot of your positions, when you start quoting some one who wasn't smart enough to tell that he was getting played, who is plagiarizing Joseph Goebbels, I can't help at least questioning your awareness on these matters.
PS - please don't turn this thread into a list of links without any discussion or thoughts behind them, particularly when they don't actually relate to Australian domestic politics.
ForkinGreat
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Now that the Middle East has its own thread, your post doesn't make as much sense
The Snowden post actually does relate to Australian domestic politics, as the concept is universal, And we have seen examples of it in recent times.
Kindly don't frame it as a baby and bathwater situation. The principle idea is sound, and was unfortunately used in more recent times to great effect by potatohead to kill off the voice to parliament. "I'm going to need more detail" etc, and also by the LNP, when they won the election in 2019 that should have been a cakewalk for Labor, by repeating a bunch of mantras that were essentially lies or misconstruing facts or taking statements way out of context.
eg
'Shorten wants to end the weekend' ( Morrison attacks Labor's electric vehicle policy)
"The Bill You Can't Afford"
Labor's proposed Changes to franking credit policy were a "Death Tax" or a "Retirement Tax"
and "Labor will tax you to death"
I get that it isn't popular to support Israel right now but I just can't grasp why there seems to be no balance and people find it so easy to condemn Israel and ignore the role Hamas has played in this (e.g. this entire thread). Hamas have done absolutely horrifying things to people and kids, they are happy to use civilians as cover and shown that the rules of war don't apply to them, and they LITERALLY state that they won't stop until the Jews are exterminated.
What is it exactly that we expect Israel to do about it that is not going to involve Palestinian civilians while still effectively dealing with Hamas?
What is it exactly that we expect Israel to do about it that is not going to involve Palestinian civilians while still effectively dealing with Hamas?
ForkinGreat
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What kind of 'balance' could there possibly be in this conflict???
The Israelis seem to regard killing civilians as part of conducting war and don't give a fuck.
I expect Israel to not pound the shit out of hospitals and apartment blocks with heavy artillery and precision guided bombs.
The deliberate targeting of civilians is specifically stated in international law as being A WAR CRIME.
Any statement by the Israelis that the Palestinians are using civilians as human shields, and that somehow justifies slaughtering civilians is utter horseshit.
When you look at the numbers of Palestinians vs Israelis killed and injured, any person can see it's the Palestinians who are getting exterminated.
It's the Israelis who don't give a fuck about the "rules of war", and they have the Americans who are publicly supporting them, and supplying the weapons that are slaughtering the Palestinians.
Civilians protected under international humanitarian law
During the past 60 years the main victims of war have been civilians. The protection of civilians during armed conflict is therefore a cornerstone of international humanitarian law. This protection extends to their public and private property. IHL also identifies and protects particularly...
rockmoose
his flabber is totally gastered
Terrorist organisations will never pay heed to laws, and what hamas did was abhorrent. But we must not forget that Benny was instrumental in assisting hamas into being. He knew precisely what he was doing, what the outcome would be, and how he would use that to achieve his goal. Who doesn't care about civilians casualties or harm on either side?
I was actually referring to the news articles that you were linking to and posting..., one might say spamming(!) the thread with. The only concern I had with the Snowden post was Snowden.
Oddjob
Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
How far back do you want to go? The Jews copped an absolute flogging under the Saracens, Moors and the Ottomans. Not that it's a competition apparently (which the Chinese handily win).What kind of 'balance' could there possibly be in this conflict???
The Israelis seem to regard killing civilians as part of conducting war and don't give a fuck.
I expect Israel to not pound the shit out of hospitals and apartment blocks with heavy artillery and precision guided bombs.
The deliberate targeting of civilians is specifically stated in international law as being A WAR CRIME.
Any statement by the Israelis that the Palestinians are using civilians as human shields, and that somehow justifies slaughtering civilians is utter horseshit.
When you look at the numbers of Palestinians vs Israelis killed and injured, any person can see it's the Palestinians who are getting exterminated.
It's the Israelis who don't give a fuck about the "rules of war", and they have the Americans who are publicly supporting them, and supplying the weapons that are slaughtering the Palestinians.
Civilians protected under international humanitarian law
During the past 60 years the main victims of war have been civilians. The protection of civilians during armed conflict is therefore a cornerstone of international humanitarian law. This protection extends to their public and private property. IHL also identifies and protects particularly...www.icrc.org
The Geneva Conventions are clear that the protection afforded to hospitals and civilians do not apply if they are engaging in war activities. Hamas are well aware that using hospitals and apartment blocks as cover is a war crime and puts them at risk, but do it anyway. Palestinian lives are cheap, even to the Palestinians and Arabs.
Ultimately Netanyahu, Hamas and the West Bank settlements need to go. The US and the Arab powers need to insist on a land for peace deal with full normalisation with the Arab states. The Gaza strip will need to be evacuated (it's a pile of rubble anyway) and its people resettled in a new state of Palestine with Jerusalem as it's capital. Finally the PA will need to transformed into a government with the long delayed elections finally taking place.
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Jpez
Down on the left!
As far as I understand it Hamas stated aim is to drive Israeli’s from Palestine. That’s a long way from “they LITERALLY state that they won't stop until the Jews are exterminated.” Don’t you think?
Regardless of Hamas abhorrent actions and terror acts nothing justifies what Benny and the hawks are doing to civilians in the name of exterminating Hamas.
jrewing
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Just become ignorant of it all. Its way above our pay grades and been going for eons, and the last century the Zionists operate and have influenced many levels of Govt and Corps worldwide.
The more i study the more i wish i was a sheep.
Im right into the period of Woodrow Wilsons fair WW1 diplomacy to Americas warkhawk outlook to Communism from ww2 onwards. Germany’s WW1 expansionists ways created a lot of this shit, maybe Wilson was to blame for being too easy on them post WW1, and we for sure wouldve had a very different Palestine/Middle East geography.
So complex and fascinating.
The more i study the more i wish i was a sheep.
Im right into the period of Woodrow Wilsons fair WW1 diplomacy to Americas warkhawk outlook to Communism from ww2 onwards. Germany’s WW1 expansionists ways created a lot of this shit, maybe Wilson was to blame for being too easy on them post WW1, and we for sure wouldve had a very different Palestine/Middle East geography.
So complex and fascinating.
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I'm not asking for them to have balance in the conflict, I am asking for you to have some balance in how you approach it and present it.
Yes the popular unfounded claim of the moment is that Israel is just killing kids just for shits and giggles. The problem is that we don’t have all the information available to be able to make that judgement and unless you have special inside information that no one else does then all you have shown is that we have war, not war crimes.
For example, when the hospital was bombed there was lots of outrage and everyone was quick to point the finger at Israel and call them assholes. Turns out a kids hospital was used by Hamas as a base. https://www.news.com.au/world/middl...l/news-story/8db4abbcc6b0e99f659a44dbb5ec7227
Again, what is it you expect Israel to do in this case? Surely Hamas and the Palestinians who new about it have to bear the blame in this?
Outrage is easy but the situation is not.
Hamas have declared Holy war/Jihad against Israel which LITERALLY means kill them all. That's why they sent hundreds of rockets into Israel.
Unless you think "Drive them out" means they were willing to organise Ubers and minivans?
Actually it literally doesn't mean that. It translates as struggle, even if the likes of ISIS say otherwise.
I think you can probably take your own advice here.
A good starting point for any conversation on the topic, for everyone in the thread, is to acknowledge that all Palestinians are not/do not agree with Hamas, and equally all Jews/Israelis are not/do not agree with Zionists or Netenyahu's government.