BMW owned Rover Group for a few years, and lost many billions of dollars in the process. The then current new Range Rovers were engineered by BMW and of course used their own engines. BMW eventually sold the Rover group to stop the losses they were incurring. (They actually sold the Rover Group for the grand total of $1 - yes $1 is correct, but it included all debts.) Rover cars were sold to a finance consortium, and Land & Range Rover were sold to Ford. In the deal with Ford, they ensured they had the engines they were engineered for - BMW - which meant that YES, Ford has been buying BMW engines for a few years.lotec said:If ford own rover then why do the petrol range rovers still have BMW engines in them? I wouldn't have though a car company would sell their engines to a competing manufacturer? Look what ive started here
Not right matey.scblack said:Couple of errors there.
Bagofskill - Fiat are not owned by the Agnelli family, it is controlled by the Italian govt. Fiat owns roughly 80% of Ferrari, and I'm sure Maserati is 100% owned by Fiat. The Formula One team IS owned by Fiat - it is a part of the Ferrari company.
It does if you cut the crap and tell me how to get the datto to handle...at all.BagofSkill said:Not that this car stuff matters on a mtb forum
Mmmm, OK then, I was sure that was the case, but maybe I'm wrong.BagofSkill said:Not right matey.
Currently:
The Agnelli Family is the majority shareholder in Fiat with 30%.
The Family also owns Ferrari and Maserati, which they separated from Fiat a couple of years ago when it looked likey that Fiat was going out of Biz. Because of the tenuous financial situation, Fiat has also been separated from the Familys other and extensive (and still profitable) industrial business'.
Fiat has been majority goverment owned in the past though, and current speculation in biz markets is that the company may again be nationalized to save it closing the doors.
Not that this car stuff matters on a mtb forum
How about super extra ultra uber lows, and then cutting another inch or so off them?Carl said:wombat: king springs super extra ultra lows, or you could just cut your springs, that's a good idea.
I might have a few ideas, PM me if you're half serious...what sort of datto?wombat said:It does if you cut the crap and tell me how to get the datto to handle...at all.
Note: first person to say "sell it" or something similar will be banned.
Put it on a car transporter truck and drive the truck around. Instantly better cornering and less body roll.wombat said:It does if you cut the crap and tell me how to get the datto to handle...at all.
See that's the issue, 1600s definately have a lot of potential, 120Y's on the other hand don't. Although a switch to 1200 struts is on the cards, just so that I've got some options with brakes.floody said:I might have a few ideas, PM me if you're half serious...what sort of datto?
or... you could get a 180sx, take the CA18T engine and gearbox etc. out of it, then get some really good engineer and put the suspension setup into the datto.( basically stick the datto shell onto the 180sx).wombat said:See that's the issue, 1600s definately have a lot of potential, 120Y's on the other hand don't. Although a switch to 1200 struts is on the cards, just so that I've got some options with brakes.
If you still think there's hope though, I'm always open to suggestions. At least if funds don't allow for real changes I can imagine what it would feel like.
Hmmm.... my auntie used to own a 120Y and i still think to this day that they are one of the most ugly cars ever made. But it would be funny to pull up to some lights and smoke a homeboy in his WRXfloody said:Theres lots of hope. a 120y is reasonably light shell with a simple but effective suspension arrangements.
In the front, slightly longer control arms or redrilled control arm mounts might give some more negative camber which could be useful, and lowered, stiffer springs with matching shock inserts would help immensely.
I'm guessing the 120y struts are pretty tiny little things with crap inserts, maybe something from a 240k, 180b, bluebird, R31 skyline or something could be substituted (with a few mods).
Replacing all applicable bushes with polyurethane ones would be a help, front and rear. Tramp rods could help control rear axle tramp, as well as good shocks with decent rebound control.
Adding a panhard rod to the rear end would be beneficial in controlling lateral movement in the rear suspension.
Rims with decent tyre width and as deep an offset as you can fit under your gaurds with reasonable size tyres would help - widening track generally helps mechanical grip and stability, as well as effectively acting like a stiffer sway bar.
Check out the forums and stuff at http://www.datsun1200.com for more info, plenty there. Somewhere on there is the official guide to setting up a 1200 coupe for circuit racing, most of which should be applicable to the 120y, and lots of knowledgeable people.
I can't see 1200 struts offering much more brake choice or being much different to the 120y ones?
Ferrari's formula1 team is funded purely on sales of merchandise. ANyone who knows how much f1 teams chew through a year youd know that its an awfuly large ammount of money.floody said:Just for the record, Ferrari is actually a Baseball cap and Poster manufacturing company (I believe they also dabble in mugs, G-strings and so on) who turn out a few promotional vehicles to help sell their main product lines.