The QUICK question thread.....

[moorey]

I have a 5mm spacer then topcap. Can i run without a spacer between the stem and the topcap?

The bars are looking more the option (of cardy's suggestion isnt the solution). at least that way if i dont like it or it doesnt work, its a component thats not hard to get rid of.

I prefer a bit of steerer above the stem WHERE POSSIBLE….but as stated, depends on the stem a bit too.

 

[HamboCairns]

I went from 25mm to 50mm risers and it's been a brilliant move. Of course I'd have preferred to alleviate the stack problem with a Banshee Paradox frame but you know..

 

[Tubbsy]

I went from 25mm to 50mm risers and it's been a brilliant move. Of course I'd have preferred to alleviate the stack problem with a Banshee Paradox frame but you know..

A Banshee Paradox alleviates all problems.

 

[HamboCairns]

A Banshee Paradox alleviates all problems.

It's on the list along with the Australian made titanium sex wee inducing frame. And a Dissector rear tyre.

 

[Squidfayce]

think id rather chance bars with higher rise than f around with the stem/spacers/topcap experiments.

Looks like my approach priority will be-

Saddle forward, post up
bars
if still not fixed, chance the 3mm difference on a Raceface turbine 32mm stem (or other suitable stem)
sell the bike

 

[HamboCairns]

think id rather chance bars with higher rise than f around with the stem/spacers/topcap experiments.

Looks like my approach priority will be-

Saddle forward, post up
bars
if still not fixed, chance the 3mm difference on a Raceface turbine 32mm stem (or other suitable stem)
sell the bike

Higher rise bars won't decrease reach though. Maybe try different grips - Deity Supracush have a 34mm outer diameter and would reduce reach by a few mm.

 

[Squidfayce]

Higher rise bars won't decrease reach though. Maybe try different grips - Deity Supracush have a 34mm outer diameter and would reduce reach by a few mm.

they might not, but if it puts me in a more upright position i may not be putting as much weight on the palms. Ill have a look at the grips, but i get the feeling its not the solution. Maybe in combination with the 3mm stem difference? In any case just spotted some cheap alloy bars i could test this out with before committing to something half decent in carbon. hoping on Cardy's idea solving the problem, then i dont have to explain to my wiofe why my bike needs yet another piece of gear

 

[Squidfayce]

they might not, but if it puts me in a more upright position i may not be putting as much weight on the palms. Ill have a look at the grips, but i get the feeling its not the solution. Maybe in combination with the 3mm stem difference? In any case just spotted some cheap alloy bars i could test this out with before committing to something half decent in carbon. hoping on Cardy's idea solving the problem, then i dont have to explain to my wiofe why my bike needs yet another piece of gear

Im also assuming that with higher rise i could angle the rise towards myself?

 

[HamboCairns]

Im also assuming that with higher rise i could angle the rise towards myself?

But that would reduce the upsweep and backsweep.

 

[Minlak]

Im also assuming that with higher rise i could angle the rise towards myself?

Maybe! -- The bars will have Rise : That's the height - Sweep - Will be the angle back and or up

 

[dazz]

MTB really should just get it's shit together and start using decent bar mounting designs more like MX.

 

[Minlak]

Maybe! -- The bars will have Rise : That's the height - Sweep - Will be the angle back and or up

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FFS I keep pressing the wrong button - So depending on the actual shape of the bars you may lose rise to angle them back more - And you may also then sit further back on the seat to feel like they are in the rigth spot

 

[dazz]

MTB really should just get it's shit together and start using decent bar mounting designs more like MX.

Just realised I'm still living in a DC world... Never mind me.

 

[beeb]

Looks like my approach priority will be-

Saddle forward, post up

FYI - this will often put more weight on your hands. The more forward you go relative to the BB the further forward your weight bias shifts.

Higher rise bars won't decrease reach though.

Well, except that they do. Because the riser part of the bars is aligned with the head angle of the bike, the higher you go the shorter the arm's reach* to the bars becomes (because the head tube/steerer/bar rise is angled back toward the rider). It's not typical to square the rise of the bars to true vertical, because that's equivalent to running a longer stem, which is going to do some wacky stuff to the handling of the bike, and also create a bunch of unwanted rise in the sweep of the bars.

Maybe try different grips - Deity Supracush have a 34mm outer diameter and would reduce reach by a few mm.

Average grip size is around 31-32mm diameter, so you're only talking 1-2mm difference maximum - and that's before accounting for the extra squish of the Supracush.

*Good point @fjohn860

 

[fjohn860]

Higher rise bars won't decrease reach though.

True. At least not frame reach anyway.

But will affect physical arm reach

 

[leitch]

FYI - this will put more weight on your hands. The more forward you go relative to the BB the further forward your weight bias shifts.

Yeah this one's a bit vague. Weight bias shifts further forward relative to bike/BB, but bringing your butt and hands closer together typically shifts weight onto your saddle by bringing you more upright.

@Squidfayce I'd be putting the 5mm spacer under your stem to start, returning the saddle to a neutral position (i.e. not rammed either front or back), and then experiment with rolling your bars back/higher rise.

 

[beeb]

Yeah this one's a bit vague. Weight bias shifts further forward relative to bike/BB, but bringing your butt and hands closer together typically shifts weight onto your saddle by bringing you more upright.

Yeah true, in my haste to "gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, WTF Hambo?" reply I made the statement a bit too absolute. Like you say there's a bunch of weird flexibility/physiology/body weight distribution variables that come into play with cockpit/saddle positioning.

 

[leitch]

Yeah true, in my haste to "gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, WTF Hambo?" reply I made the statement a bit too absolute.

We've all been there.

 

[Squidfayce]

thanks all. Looks like i have a weekend of tinkering

 

[HamboCairns]

Well, except that they do. Because the riser part of the bars is aligned with the head angle of the bike, the higher you go the shorter the arm's reach* to the bars becomes (because the head tube/steerer/bar rise is angled back toward the rider). It's not typical to square the rise of the bars to true vertical, because that's equivalent to running a longer stem, which is going to do some wacky stuff to the handling of the bike, and also create a bunch of unwanted rise in the sweep of the bars.

Good point, you're right.

I do square the rise of the bar, is that why you keep telling me to roll them back a bit?