Plastic bags, climate change, renewable energy,

[Oddjob]

Nukes are low environmental impact then I guess? Uh huh….

If nukes were required, I would be first in line to ignore the waste problems and the eye watering cost and say bring it on.

But they’re not needed, they are high impact and very very very high cost. As I said, the cost delays actual decarbonisation…

In a carbon sense, yes. Also it's a lot easier dealing with nuclear waste in geological stable sites then widely dispersed carbon emissions.

French nuclear energy is some of the cheapest energy in Europe. The UK pays more for energy than France despite widespread adoption of offshore and onshore wind and that's forecast to rise by 50% this year. Germany, Italy et al are facing much the same problems but with the added complication of Russian gas.



Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

 

[Haakon]

A few billion fewer people would go a long way to reducing envionmental impact....

Had high hopes for covid on that front, but it’s underperformed….

 

[Oddjob]

A few billion fewer people would go a long way to reducing envionmental impact....

Licenses for children! The best but most unlikely solution ever.

Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

 

[Haakon]

In a carbon sense, yes. Also it's a lot easier dealing with nuclear waste in geological stable sites then widely dispersed carbon emissions.

French nuclear energy is some of the cheapest energy in Europe. The UK pays more for energy than France despite widespread adoption of offshore and onshore wind and that's forecast to rise by 50% this year. Germany, Italy et al are facing much the same problems but with the added complication of Russian gas.



Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

French nukes are only making cheap power now because the operational costs are low. If you exclude the eye watering build cost and ignore the essentially infinite waste management cost for the next few hundred thousand years than yeah it’s cheap lol.

 

[Haakon]

As for the UK, have a look at what the new Hinkley plant has cost!

 

[Haakon]

In a carbon sense, yes.

So are all forms of wind and solar…

 

[Oddjob]

Renewables are only making cheap power now because the operational costs are low. If you exclude the eye watering build cost of new transmission networks, and the ever shrinking number of suitable sites than yeah it’s cheap lol.

FIFY

Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

 

[Dales Cannon]

i read that SA recently ran the entire state on renewables for 6 days straight . Havent had a chance to check out the details yet.

Keeping both Macca's open?

Offshore wind.

Plenty of hot air in Canberra...

 

[Oddjob]

As for the UK, have a look at what the new Hinkley plant has cost!

Is it a third gen French reactor or 4th gen Korean reactor?

It's a bit like saying that just because Italian cars are over priced pieces of shit, ergo all cars are over priced pieces of shit.

PS if the Brits had paid for extra transmission lines from the French they could have funded three times the capacity for the same cost as Hinkley. Says more about British administrative incompetence than anything else.

Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

 

[Haakon]

FIFY

Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

Nice try, but no.

 

[Haakon]

Is it a third gen French reactor or 4th gen Korean reactor?

It's a bit like saying that just because Italian cars are over priced pieces of shit, ergo all cars are pieces of shit.

Sent from my M2012K11AG using Tapatalk

It’s the latest and greatest French one I think

 

[Haakon]

Plenty of hot air in Canberra...

Only in Parliament House… And the assorted lobbying firms…

 

[Dales Cannon]

Only in Parliament House… And the assorted lobbying firms…

Close enough. Add in the uncivil servants.

 

[Haakon]

Close enough. Add in the uncivil servants.

There are a few of those about too… Not as many as you might think, although it probably varies depending on what department…

 

[Squidfayce]

Offshore wind.

This is current state of mine traffic. Post covid, can imagine it will be bussier. Offshore wind, is it Scalable after considering consumptio patterns multiplied by population growth?

 

[Haakon]

This is current state of mine traffic. Post covid, can imagine it will be bussier. Offshore wind, is it Scalable after considering consumptio patterns multiplied by population growth?

lol. There’s a small scale issue - ships are not that big

 

[Squidfayce]

lol. There’s a small scale issue - ships are not that big

Yes that's obvious. But I can imagine the scale of wind farm required to power the world are a bit bigger than a handful of turbines.

 

[beeb]

Yes that's obvious. But I can imagine the scale of wind farm required to power the world are a bit bigger than a handful of turbines.

We'll need two handfuls at least.

 

[Haakon]

Yes that's obvious. But I can imagine the scale of wind farm required to power the world are a bit bigger than a handful of turbines.

How big do you think they are…?

 

[Scotty T]

Nuclear has been done to death everywhere including this thread, conclusion, it's bullshit.

Pinning hopes on tech that doesn't exist (cheap, safe nuclear, pick one) is the attitude of our current government (hydrogen, ccs) and won't help us solve the issue in time. If Aussies weren't so sensitive to nuclear proliferation issues the gov would be pushing it hard I reckon.

Renewables are only making cheap power now because the operational costs are low. If you exclude the eye watering build cost of new transmission networks, and the ever shrinking number of suitable sites than yeah it’s cheap lol.

We don't have enough time to make nuclear safe and cheap, and we have all the room and technology (plus safe and cheap) required to get around the non-issues you mention.