rangersac
Medically diagnosed OMS
With a hammer and a screwdriver (too soon)?Well I'd hit it. Both ways
With a hammer and a screwdriver (too soon)?Well I'd hit it. Both ways
Heh Heh not to soon. I still have my top condition Mr T. I'm pretty sure I could unload for a princely sum my uncompleted TWith a hammer and a screwdriver (too soon)?
Kink-shaming at its worstIt's nice but for some reason the kink in the seat stays really irks me. The other tubes are straight (aside from an almost imperceptible/hidden seat tube kink) and I feel like it doesn't go and looks broken.
I run a considerable seat post extension, but that's getting ridiculous.TOR Zenith steel trail bike
Hot.
That stem stack height isn't a prize winner either.I run a considerable seat post extension, but that's getting ridiculous.
And they didn't air brush out those yellow Maxxis logos.Rear triangle tubing looks waaaaaat too thin at the back for my comfort. Saving grams, but at what cost?
Chain isn’t even parallel with chain stay? Someone will be fired for that pic.
But....but.....it is a single pivot.Rear triangle tubing looks waaaaaat too thin at the back for my comfort. Saving grams, but at what cost?
Chain isn’t even parallel with chain stay? Someone will be fired for that pic.
Yeah. Setup looks like an off the shelf frame made to fit a giant rather than a custom made and sized frame.That stem stack height isn't a prize winner either.
IMO - It's a mistake to think of these purely from a value perspective though. The sheer man hours (probably "person-hours" these days...) involved in something like this would be immense. It's not coming down a production line with multiple workers just doing their one stage of production. It's one guy. Tubes are cut and mitered, jigged, welded, finished, then the frame goes off for paint. Add the product development costs/time and customizable geo into the mix, and the manufacturer probably wanting to eat and have an income, and not get overwhelmed by backorders and it's actually pretty reasonable for something made in Aus. Sure I wish it was cheaper, but I just think it's important to remember even a "production" frame from this mob isn't going to compete with a Taiwanese-made frame for value, simple suspension design or not.Aesthetically beautiful bike definitely, but the value proposition of a ~$6k basic single pivot frame is hard to get behind.
I 100% get that. I know it will appeal to a certain buyer. I tend to think that buyer is less interest in the ride than the owning and admiring....and maybe the Instalikes.IMO - It's a mistake to think of these purely from a value perspective though. The sheer man hours (probably "person-hours" these days...) involved in something like this would be immense. It's not coming down a production line with multiple workers just doing their one stage of production. It's one guy. Tubes are cut and mitered, jigged, welded, finished, then the frame goes off for paint. Add the product development costs/time and customizable geo into the mix, and the manufacturer probably wanting to eat and have an income, and not get overwhelmed by backorders and it's actually pretty reasonable for something made in Aus. Sure I wish it was cheaper, but I just think it's important to remember even a "production" frame from this mob isn't going to compete with a Taiwanese-made frame for value, simple suspension design or not.
Not having a dig at you @leitch - just think there's a distinction in what the product actually is that gets missed when people only look at the price-tag.
Just to add to what @beeb already said - I think it's one of those things where if you "get" it it's actually pretty good value considering the monster amount of time and effort that goes into one of these frames. On face value yes $6k+ for a single pivot steel frame is crap when you can get a very nice plastic frame (with an EXT or Push shock) for similar coin. For now (watch those price rises in a few months though!) But once you've seen one of those handmade frames in person and the finish / paint quality blah suddenly blowing $4500 (or whatever) on a Prova titanium frame seems like a good idea. And if you're still immune get a Walty instead.Aesthetically beautiful bike definitely, but the value proposition of a ~$6k basic single pivot frame is hard to get behind.
No interest in a Porsche either though. None.Just to add to what @beeb already said - I think it's one of those things where if you "get" it it's actually pretty good value considering the monster amount of time and effort that goes into one of these frames. On face value yes $6k+ for a single pivot steel frame is crap when you can get a very nice plastic frame (with an EXT or Push shock) for similar coin. For now (watch those price rises in a few months though!) But once you've seen one of those handmade frames in person and the finish / paint quality blah suddenly blowing $4500 (or whatever) on a Prova titanium frame seems like a good idea. And if you're still immune get a Walty instead.
It's like a Singer Porsche. Yes obscenely expensive, but when you consider 4000+ hours of labour go into building one and the quality of the finished product it's actually pretty good value - if you appreciate that kinda thing.
I agree with you completely, no question, and I absolutely "get it" from a craftsmanship perspective @Asininedrivel - I'd happily pay the $$ for a Baum/Prova (way more than $4.5k btw )/Speedvagen/other road frame if I had them spare.Not having a dig at you @leitch - just think there's a distinction in what the product actually is that gets missed when people only look at the price-tag.