The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.
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pink poodle
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I am constantly blown away how often this doesn't happen in hospitality. In theory the weekend is the busiest time (it definitely is at one of the cafes I work in), all those customers just itching to spend their cash and pretend they aren't wage slaves all week) but so many business owners seem to think they should also have the weekend off. I get it, working weekends while your friends are enjoying themselves isn't much chop. But...oh well, Monday and Tuesday on the trails is so good when everybody is working.
Freediver
I can go full Karen
Who told you that, Andrew Bolt? Can you tell me one industry that's going to happen in?
pink poodle
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Please let the answer be coal fired power production!!!
Flow-Rider
Burner
Haha wait and see then.
Freediver
I can go full Karen
I'm guessing because you can't answer you just made that up.
pink poodle
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When the tyranny of Howard came to an end, one of the local bike shop owners here to me he was at the ready for shedding staff as soon as the nee government started telling him how to run his business.
Freediver
I can go full Karen
Here's another guess, he didn't lay off any.
Flow-Rider
Burner
I was actually sent something by a union group where someone had contacted them about it, I think it was something like a convenience store worker that it happen to and I didn't really pay much attention to it because it doesn't really effect me as I'm pretty much self employed.
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pink poodle
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^ I wonder if this had anything to do with the way 7-11 were caught out for exploiting their workers?
Like all small business there was lean times. No idea how they feel now so many years later. Fear not though, my sentiment is far more in line with yours on this. Business chambers, advocates, and other lobby groups throw their fear mongering around like it's going out of style when elections loom.
Like all small business there was lean times. No idea how they feel now so many years later. Fear not though, my sentiment is far more in line with yours on this. Business chambers, advocates, and other lobby groups throw their fear mongering around like it's going out of style when elections loom.
Flow-Rider
Burner
It was shared on a FB page for FIFO contract workers I cant remember what union it was , I'm not going to spend hours scrolling pages to find it.
Flow-Rider
Burner
No, the FIFO page just shared some information on their page about a businesses complaining to workers, the FIFO page AFAIK is run by union members. If I come across it again I'll put the link up for you.
I prefer not to vote for either of the top two but I suppose I'll vote what best suits my regional area.
@pink poodle You do realise that just because someone has a new Porsche and a two story mansion it doesn't mean that their business is funding all their assets, they may have acquired it from a previous occupation or family inheritance. Most people will not easily walk away from a small business that they've built from the ground up when things start going bad. It's lots of unpaid hours and hard work to start a small business from scratch and not many people see this, they just see the end result. You can have two identical businesses side by side and one year one business is awarded a large contract and makes a stack of money and next year the contract goes to the other, this might go on for years. You can't always determine what a business makes by looking on the outside and you can't always foresee the future of what can happen in business either.
Is it best to get rid of workers and send them home on unemployment benefits when you don't have any contracts or try to save money some how and keep them on. In some of these small businesses people learn skills that might lead them onto better employment opportunities rather than stay at home because unemployed benefits pays them the same amount and they learn very little work skills. I don't like seeing workers get ripped off especially at the bottom scale pay rates and there are companies that exploit people but it's not always best to force these businesses to close.
pink poodle
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I do realise that you didn't read my post and just pushed your strange tangent...but that's ok. I've worked for people that do own fancy cars and big houses in the right suburbs. I've also worked for people that are on the bread line. There's good and bad employers in both categories. The fact remains though, that if they can't make their business work without under paying or exploiting their staff...then they can't make their business work.
Flow-Rider
Burner
Ok sorry, I understood the first part you wrote as if a businesses cant pay exciting amounts to their workers they should have shut their doors.
pink poodle
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Indeed. Just checked and I have a typo. It should (and now does) read exploiting. They should excite their workers too...but that isn't about money, but good leadership.
I have no love of the unions I dealt with but I have less for employers who exploit their workforce. Typically scumbags exercising their egos on people who cannot afford to lose their jobs or find another.
The expected increased union powers will most probably lead to increased costs on construction work which will be passed onto the consumer at the end of the day. Not small business but the top 2 or 3 tiers. More interference in the workplace, more defence of legitimate and legal agreements, pattern agreements that increase employment costs etc. Again if such interference is the result of shoddy practises or poor safety then all good but my experience was simply industrial buggery because they could. One year I spent hundreds of thousands of the company's money fighting false actions in the AIRC, didn't lose a single action but you don't get costs. That money comes straight off the bottom line.
So ultimately, in my opinion, increased union power will increase costs, let's hope they do some good along the way and improve conditions and/or safety. Otherwise fuck off out of it.
The expected increased union powers will most probably lead to increased costs on construction work which will be passed onto the consumer at the end of the day. Not small business but the top 2 or 3 tiers. More interference in the workplace, more defence of legitimate and legal agreements, pattern agreements that increase employment costs etc. Again if such interference is the result of shoddy practises or poor safety then all good but my experience was simply industrial buggery because they could. One year I spent hundreds of thousands of the company's money fighting false actions in the AIRC, didn't lose a single action but you don't get costs. That money comes straight off the bottom line.
So ultimately, in my opinion, increased union power will increase costs, let's hope they do some good along the way and improve conditions and/or safety. Otherwise fuck off out of it.
Haakon
has an accommodating arse
It’s a balance I doubt will ever be got right, or so that everyone is happy.
But increased costs I think is a price generally worth paying for the greater good as it were. As with most things, a few arsehats means the rest of us have to deal with the rules to keep the arsehats in check... Welcome to humanity...
John U
MTB Precision
40% of those found by fair work commission to be ripping off employees were still doing it when re-audited. Only 2 employers prosecuted. This is what happens when you do ‘small government ‘ and gut public services.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...e/news-story/cdd26175432e4d26610191c429007bde
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/na...e/news-story/cdd26175432e4d26610191c429007bde