and to be honest i d rather ride a taiwan made bike than a usa made bike.
Same, in general i've seen better weld quality in higher end Taiwanese frames, than in boutique US frames where often you've got overpaid workers who probably don't value their job anywhere near as much as the underpaid asian workers who know they can be replaced immediately the moment they slip up.
There are exceptions of course, but in terms of manufacturing methods (hollow forging, robot welding, etc) and build quality/consistency - IMO Taiwan surpassed the US many years ago. I'm talking '02-03 or even earlier, I can't believe it even gets brought up in this day and age.