The election thread - Two middle-late aged white men trying to be blokey and convincing..., same old shit, FFS.

[ForkinGreat]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514144346597208070

 

[Haakon]

I think that's only part of it. I feel that a lot of the appeal of Trump, Hanson, Bolsanaro, le Pen, etc. is that they are not from the political mainstream (or that's at least how they've remodeled themselves). People are losing faith in mainstream democratic leaders, largely because of the bullshit we get from them, like not introducing an ICAC, having parties during lockdown, trading shares with insider info whilst in office, taking money from secret donors, etc.

People want authenticity and leadership, and next to the self-serving narcissists we get, these right wingers and populists look more authentic, so people support them as a pressure release for their frustrations. They allow them their failings - such as racism, protectionism, sexism, etc. - because they feel they know what they're getting instead of being sold lies and spin.

A dissatisfied and divided demos is fertile ground for populists and people selling relief.

Yes, but people also want a popular/ist leader who legitimises their nasty narrow stupid view of the world because it’s less work than learning anything…

 

[PJO]

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[Mr Crudley]

Can't see the irony?

Yep, cherry pick the characteristics that the unwashed will applaud so you can get a seat at a governmental table for the next few years.
'It is NOT a popularity contest', ...................Yeah right, the hell it isn't........... Having a candidate with charisma and integrity in politics is pretty slim.

 

[Scotty T]

This was fucking Brilliant.

One of the best responses to our dopey MSM ever.

This could turn some people sitting on the fence. A guy who has never even been close to being PM and gets a lot less media attention made the others look like amateurs.

Go you Green thing!

 

[Scotty T]

Also it's early days on the poll and most around here like fair over money in their political leanings based on my reading of much of this thread. But Shooters & Fishers beating Libs is interesting to say the least...

 

[Dales Cannon]

He makes a fair point, so much that needs detailed planning and implementation and the fucksticks who are the media get out of shape if a candidate misses a decimal point on some statistic that is at best a guess of unknown accuracy.

 

[johnny]

This was fucking Brilliant. The whiny little murdoch shitstain asking the gotcha crap fact-checking 'question' is Ron Mizen from the AFR. What a cunt.

AFR (and Ron Mizen) are not Murdoch, AFR is owned by Nine Entertainment.

 

[johnny]

I think we also need to acknowledge the Australian people's role in these policy decisions. If the ALP believed the people didn't support the policy then they would have opposed it and used it against the LNP. Unfortunately they believed, and correctly I suspect, that people didn't care enough to risk the potential fall out.

The reality we live in is that the 1 or 2% of us that actually give a shit and educate ourselves on these matters will always be overwhelmed by the 98% that don't give a shit or are just too stupid.

I'm not sure that's correct though. IT's not necessarily that the people support it, it's that it can be used against them through the usual demagoguery - ramping up the threat rhetoric and making the other side look weak. ALP are always scared of being called on national security (I don't really understand that reputation, but people believe it). So the ALP always run from any threat of 'looking weak'.

IT can also be that the people that care about it are in swing seats (back then it was western Sydney they were aiming at), with the other elctorates maybe caring, but voting on other issues. We have to be careful about holding holier-than-thou, elitist attitudes. Other people have other priorities and we don't necessarily know what they are. There are always trade offs and comprimises, no single party will ever embody everything that we prioritise.

 

[Litenbror]

I'm not sure that's correct though. IT's not necessarily that the people support it, it's that it can be used against them through the usual demagoguery - ramping up the threat rhetoric and making the other side look weak. ALP are always scared of being called on national security (I don't really understand that reputation, but people believe it). So the ALP always run from any threat of 'looking weak'.

IT can also be that the people that care about it are in swing seats (back then it was western Sydney they were aiming at), with the other elctorates maybe caring, but voting on other issues. We have to be careful about holding holier-than-thou, elitist attitudes. Other people have other priorities and we don't necessarily know what they are. There are always trade offs and comprimises, no single party will ever embody everything that we prioritise.

Yes this is a lovely statement that bears a lot of truth but... Having lived in North Queensland, Northern WA, Tasmania and the southern states of the USA I have a reasonable grasp of the shear level of hatred and racism out there. Most of these people and groups don't realise just how they are being used but also don't really give a shit when someone tries to help them.

A good example is the video of Adam Brandt above, if that was any of the numerous right wing parties it would be a viral video all over Facebook etc by now. We have strong left parties but the Australian people have never supported them. You know which parties are gaining support.

@johnny you have faith in people which I am loosing which is to be commended. I do wonder though if it's like your friends story of staying and fighting or leaving with your family. Once I was a stay and fight person but now it's just land that's not worth fighting over, my priorities have changed.

 

[ForkinGreat]

AFR (and Ron Mizen) are not Murdoch, AFR is owned by Nine Entertainment.

Both LNP fanboys. it's hard to tell them apart.

 

[ForkinGreat]

#ScrotuMo
#AFUMA
(Another Fucking Useless Morrison Announcement)

Factory visited by Morrison to spruik job creation set to cut jobs, move some work to Vietnam

A factory visited by the Prime Minister while he spruiked a promise to create over a million jobs if re-elected plans to cut jobs at the facility and move them offshore to Vietnam.

www.abc.net.au

 

[wesdadude]

When did populism become a dirty word? We really need to be freed from the tyranny of big corporations.

 

[moorey]

When did populism become a dirty word? We really need to be freed from the tyranny of big corporations.

I think the issue is that politicians confuse populism with pandering/pork barreling. And only talk about what’s good for the people either in the lead up to an election or in opposition. My2c.

 

[pink poodle]

When did populism become a dirty word? We really need to be freed from the tyranny of big corporations.

I think it primarily became a dirty word under the regime of Perón.

 

[Ponchoatdirtworks]

Another good response from Bandt:
Life after coal

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticsD.../adam_bandt_greens_policy_on_life_after_coal/

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[moorey]

I think it primarily became a dirty word under the regime of Perón.

Amaury?

 

[ForkinGreat]

#ScrotuMo lies in the face of known facts. He is an absolute cockroach. The only federal ICAC HE wanted, was one with no power to punish him and his LNP minions.
#ScrotuMo
#LNPfail
#LNPcorruptionParty
#AFUMA
(another f**king Useless morrison announcement)

Scott Morrison again blames Labor for Coalition’s failure to deliver federal Icac

PM said government had not broken its election promise to create anti-corruption body, despite never introducing legislation

www.theguardian.com

Morrison accuses critics of wanting ‘kangaroo court’ as Liberal MP crosses floor over integrity bill

PM says Gladys Berejiklian was ‘done over’ by NSW Icac but Tasmanian MP Bridget Archer says government needs to act

www.theguardian.com

Legal experts condemn Scott Morrison’s continuing attacks on Icac as ‘disgraceful’ and ‘stupid’

PM doubles down on denigrating NSW corruption watchdog as Liberals push for ex-premier Gladys Berejiklian to contest Warringah

www.theguardian.com

 

[ForkinGreat]

 

[pink poodle]

Amaury?

I guess so.