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takai

Eats Squid
My 1% offering is very generous. ;)
And here is why basing conclusions on anecdotal evidence is fraught with danger. The last page or so of the thread has been a constant application of experimenters bias and fundamental attribution bias.

The first is to anecdotally see and note down the sought after behaviour regularly while dismissing and ignoring the compliant behaviour that falls outside of the subjectively sought response.
The second is to presume the fundamental attributes of an external decision as being consistent with the observers own set of beliefs.

Oh and ugh, dont get me started on C0na's basic lack of understanding of the basis of anecdotal evidence.

As far as it goes there will always be loons out there, but as anecdotes show you dont even need any specialised equipment to be a loon. Specific equipment just makes it easier to either hide being a loon, or justify it externally or internally. I think anyone can think of millions of situations where we have noted people being idiots, and conversely if our observer bias wasnt so strong we could probably think of millions of counter-examples where people have been perfectly responsible in the same situations.

I believe that societally one of the reasons that we have such a strong negative observer bias in Australia is that our very ethos and nature is one of a post-enlightnment individualistic culture, where the individual triumphs by default over the collective. Combine this with a strong basis of fundamental attribution error (repeated studies have shown that Australia beats out most other countries in the application of this feature, second perhaps to the US), and suddenly we have a society which values the primacy of the individual at the detrimental expense of the other.
Just look at the papers to see this happening regularly:
Shock horror, someone cant fit a car seat properly, therefore EVERYONE cant fit car seats properly. Quick mandate enforced fitting of car seats.

Do you see the logical inconsistency there.
 
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C0na

Likes Bikes and Dirt
Oh and ugh, dont get me started on C0na's basic lack of understanding of the basis of anecdotal evidence.
Not really sure what your trying to say, The whole above discussion is based on anecdotal evidence. The very reason why no one is right and no one is wrong hence the reason I picked up on scblack's 'trumping' of Dozers observations. Not having a dig at scblack. Takai can you explain where my understating of anecdotal evidence is flawed?
Thanks
 

Dozer

Heavy machinery.
Staff member
And here is why basing conclusions on anecdotal evidence is fraught with danger. The last page or so of the thread has been a constant application of experimenters bias and fundamental attribution bias.

The first is to anecdotally see and note down the sought after behaviour regularly while dismissing and ignoring the compliant behaviour that falls outside of the subjectively sought response.
The second is to presume the fundamental attributes of an external decision as being consistent with the observers own set of beliefs.

Oh and ugh, dont get me started on C0na's basic lack of understanding of the basis of anecdotal evidence.

As far as it goes there will always be loons out there, but as anecdotes show you dont even need any specialised equipment to be a loon. Specific equipment just makes it easier to either hide being a loon, or justify it externally or internally. I think anyone can think of millions of situations where we have noted people being idiots, and conversely if our observer bias wasnt so strong we could probably think of millions of counter-examples where people have been perfectly responsible in the same situations.

I believe that societally one of the reasons that we have such a strong negative observer bias in Australia is that our very ethos and nature is one of a post-enlightnment individualistic culture, where the individual triumphs by default over the collective. Combine this with a strong basis of fundamental attribution error (repeated studies have shown that Australia beats out most other countries in the application of this feature, second perhaps to the US), and suddenly we have a society which values the primacy of the individual at the detrimental expense of the other.
Just look at the papers to see this happening regularly:
Shock horror, someone cant fit a car seat properly, therefore EVERYONE cant fit car seats properly. Quick mandate enforced fitting of car seats.

Do you see the logical inconsistency there.

So ah, I should take acid and wear a peace symbol necklace and just love everyone man because Jesus is cool? Are you implying that when someone makes a mistake (for whatever reason) that we should throw them an encouragement award and send them on their way? For what it's worth, I don't really see what your post has to do with this topic anyway.
 

C0na

Likes Bikes and Dirt
You're one of Dozer's 99% aren't you?

Up until now I had been considering a shock for my bike. Can that idea.:llama:
Not taking sides man. You both can be either right or wrong, what I was saying is I don't think you cant 'trump' someone based on observations.
 

scblack

Leucocholic
Not taking sides man. You both can be either right or wrong, what I was saying is I don't think you cant 'trump' someone based on observations.
No worries.

But yes you can I reckon. This is just a MTB website. For that purpose we can accept observations. If he wishes to add to his post's credence by a few observations it is perfectly valid for me to counter with my observations. To take it any further is playing semantics.

I am still considering that shock(s) of yours - but honestly very unlikely, as it is more a wishlist than a need for my bike.:thumb:
 

pharmaboy

Eats Squid
Relevant post takai

Well, in my 46 years on this planet, I cannot remember ever seeing someone with a kid on a bike crash, nor has a complete stranger ever old me to fuck off.

But to add to the stories, I note that despite the written about stupidity and accident, no child was actually seriously injured in the events - however dumb they were. ( especially the downhill ing bloke ).

I'd suggest that the Chinese lady may have had a safer spot for the child had such a cheap and simple product been available ( note use of "May" ).
 

Cypher

Likes Dirt
This. This is why you ride off road with your baby and why I'll be getting a Mac Ride as soon as possible. Because it is awesome. Sharing the experience is awesome.

If you fall off your bike that often that you might crash with your child when riding at 50% of your technical ability (because really, who is going to ride 'hard' with their baby), then you really need to go do a mountain bike course and learn how to ride. Seriously, doesn't it hurt both body and dignity to fall off that often??
 

steel-o

Likes Dirt
i have a macride

hi all glen has sent me a macride and i am willing to let anyone give it a go so they can see for them self what to like.



i ride round some parts of manly dam / omv with my son louis 3.3 and 16 kg will be at OMV this weekend with louis hope to see you there.
 

foxpuppet

Eats Squid
hi all glen has sent me a macride and i am willing to let anyone give it a go so they can see for them self what to like.



i ride round some parts of manly dam / omv with my son louis 3.3 and 16 kg will be at OMV this weekend with louis hope to see you there.
I'd love to see it in the flesh, I've been keeping my eye on these since seeing the first video of it that popped up a while back. What time you gonna be there?


Sent by courier pigeon
 

No Skid Marks

Blue Mountain Bikes Brooklyn/Lahar/Kowa/PO1NT Raci
That looks so fricken dangerous. I'd have to unpack my kid from cotton wool to ride it.
 

Zubanoid

Likes Bikes
And here is why basing conclusions on anecdotal evidence is fraught with danger. The last page or so of the thread has been a constant application of experimenters bias and fundamental attribution bias.

The first is to anecdotally see and note down the sought after behaviour regularly while dismissing and ignoring the compliant behaviour that falls outside of the subjectively sought response.
The second is to presume the fundamental attributes of an external decision as being consistent with the observers own set of beliefs.

Oh and ugh, dont get me started on C0na's basic lack of understanding of the basis of anecdotal evidence.

As far as it goes there will always be loons out there, but as anecdotes show you dont even need any specialised equipment to be a loon. Specific equipment just makes it easier to either hide being a loon, or justify it externally or internally. I think anyone can think of millions of situations where we have noted people being idiots, and conversely if our observer bias wasnt so strong we could probably think of millions of counter-examples where people have been perfectly responsible in the same situations.

I believe that societally one of the reasons that we have such a strong negative observer bias in Australia is that our very ethos and nature is one of a post-enlightnment individualistic culture, where the individual triumphs by default over the collective. Combine this with a strong basis of fundamental attribution error (repeated studies have shown that Australia beats out most other countries in the application of this feature, second perhaps to the US), and suddenly we have a society which values the primacy of the individual at the detrimental expense of the other.
Just look at the papers to see this happening regularly:
Shock horror, someone cant fit a car seat properly, therefore EVERYONE cant fit car seats properly. Quick mandate enforced fitting of car seats.

Do you see the logical inconsistency there.
Good points Takai! You sound like an academic! ;)

I would like to believe that the type of person buying a Mac Ride would be wanting their child to enjoy riding with them and therefore be careful with how they ride. This is a generalized assumption but judging from these posts I think it's a valid observation.
 

pharmaboy

Eats Squid
Good points Takai! You sound like an academic! ;)

I would like to believe that the type of person buying a Mac Ride would be wanting their child to enjoy riding with them and therefore be careful with how they ride. This is a generalized assumption but judging from these posts I think it's a valid observation.
Have you clicked on cyphers link? That is without doubt a great photograph and so well communicates what it is all about. Never really took my kids on a bike, but I did recently take my 8yr old to a place that she had to ride to and was over the moon when she got there ( the odd tears on the way going down some hills.... But)

Photo coming.....

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stickso

Likes Dirt
Wow - popped out for a bit and this thread went nuts! I still want one to take my daughter out as the device is only as risky as the risks you take. The same as I make sure my daughters are both securely strapped in their car seats and don't climb on things where they could fall from a great height, it's up to me as a parent to manage the risks. A gentle, slow ride on some firetrail or the green run at OMV would be an awesome shared experience with little downside.
 

moorey

call me Mia
I remain aginnit. Not because I don't think that the sort of people on here couldn't ride with their kids safely on it.....but because of the average punters ability to install it correctly and ride safely with it.
Think about all the home assembled bikes you've seen with forks backwards, brakes out of reach and facing upright, helmets backwards.....
I don't want to these car salesmen, accountants and computer programmers having a crack at it and hitting the roads with a kid on top. My 2c.
 

wombat

Lives in a hole
I remain aginnit. Not because I don't think that the sort of people on here couldn't ride with their kids safely on it.....but because of the average punters ability to install it correctly and ride safely with it.
Think about all the home assembled bikes you've seen with forks backwards, brakes out of reach and facing upright, helmets backwards.....
So you're also against forks, brakes and helmets, because people fuck those up too?

If you start getting rid of products because stupid people might fuck them up we'd have very little to buy.
 

moorey

call me Mia
So you're also against forks, brakes and helmets, because people fuck those up too?

If you start getting rid of products because stupid people might fuck them up we'd have very little to buy.
Yes. That's exactly what I said. Word for word.
 

Knuckles

Lives under a bridge
Look at all the fucktards on the road, we still strap our kids into a 2 tonn killing machine without a second thought.
 
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