pharmaboy
Eats Squid
That piccy is proof positive that males are the buyers of kid seats.
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ChopSticks
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We may have our differences, but clearly this isn't one if them
my hypothetical situation of forks bottoming out and catching the kids foot is just me questioning the design of the product
as I said.... Great intentions, bad execution
if I do (never will) strap my kid to a bike, I'd at least use the ones with a hard plastic shell (side protection) and harnesses/straps
can YOU guarantee you'll be able to protect and 'cocoon' your child in the event of a crash? I can't.....
why risk putting your child in a dangerous position (yes, blah blah we all risk crashing when we hit the trails)
.... But minimising risk/injury is the responsible thing to do.... After all, that's why people wear helmets, elbow/knee guards!?!?!? No?
If I didn't know and had to guess.... I would've thought OP (Zubanoid) had a stake in this product (judging by how hard he's pushing it)
angrybadger
Likes Dirt
I'd buy one tomorrow if they existed in shops.
No. I can't guarantee I'd be able to protect my 2 yo in the event of a crash, but I wouldn't be using the thing on technical trails. Pretty much everyone who buys one will use it on gentle ST or fire roads. I reckon I'm less likely to crash riding at a slow jogging pace on a fire road than I am driving anywhere. And I drive that same kid places every day.
It wouldn't suit a lot of folk, but I fully trust my kid to act sensibly, hold on tight and enjoy the ride. I also fully trust myself to not be a dick and take risks. For me, this is more about getting to suitable trails that aren't accessible by car with my boy and a balance bike. For that purpose, it's the best option I've seen so far.
No. I can't guarantee I'd be able to protect my 2 yo in the event of a crash, but I wouldn't be using the thing on technical trails. Pretty much everyone who buys one will use it on gentle ST or fire roads. I reckon I'm less likely to crash riding at a slow jogging pace on a fire road than I am driving anywhere. And I drive that same kid places every day.
It wouldn't suit a lot of folk, but I fully trust my kid to act sensibly, hold on tight and enjoy the ride. I also fully trust myself to not be a dick and take risks. For me, this is more about getting to suitable trails that aren't accessible by car with my boy and a balance bike. For that purpose, it's the best option I've seen so far.
Art Vanderlay
Hourly daily
I thought we all rode to get away from the family?
Zubanoid
Likes Bikes
^ Good point! Now that I think about it..... hmmm
Zubanoid
Likes Bikes
Yeah me too. My kid would love it. I'd really like to see one in the flesh before shelling out the hard earned TBH. What's the deal with kickstarter? If the $60+K goal isn't reached do the people that signed up get their cash back?
I spend so much time putting energy into the club I run to comply with safety measures to keep the people at my bike races safe. The irony in that is astounding, it's mind boggling actually. After spending a day wrapping everyone in cotton wool, it's nice to wind down and walk along the shared path next to the beach or ride some trails myself and take in the surroundings, whatever they may be.................
Example 1) I've freshly built a new set of right left turns on a downhill rail, looked bloody mint. I've closed the course further up so people knew I was working away. Just as a stand back and observe our nice job, here comes a proud Dad bombing down the closed track on his downhill bike with his kid strapped to him on his back in some sort of toddler carrier. The guy has obviously ridden down the trail in this setup and ignored the sign I had further up. He stops, doesn't say Hi and just looks at the new trail. I say thanks for ignoring the sign and tell him to stay off the trail as it's only freshly built and not open for riding. The prick says he'll go easy and rides past me through the corners, kid still harnessed on his back. Sure as shit, he rides into it like it's a world cup qualifier and he looses the front wheel in the soft stuff and goes down. The kid has a beanie on and hits the ground hard. Without going into detail, it's safe to say that that stupid fool has not shown his face on my trails since.
2) I'm walking along the bridge between Batman Park and the casino in Melbourne. A small Asian woman is riding towards us with an ill fitting helmet and her child sitting on the top tube. A bunch of school kids is wrestling in front of us and as one kid ducks away from on incoming dick punch, it causes the woman to turn sharply to avoid contact. She's a foot away from the cement railing and the hard swerve causes her to run sideways into it. Somehow, the kid was jammed between the bike and the railing of the bridge quickly enough to stop it toppling into the crystal clear waters of the Yarra river. The kid is obviously pretty frightened and screams, she straightens the bike up, pulls the kids beanie over it's eyes and gets going again.
3) Walking along the beach on low tide and old mate is riding towards us on his hardtail. He has his kid in a plastic seat on the back of the bike. On higher tide, there is a small channel that runs the water into a little inlet so the sand is always pretty soft underneath it when the water is out. The guy riding along gets to the softer spot not realising it's damp sand and the front wheel digs in and pitches him forward, a slow over the bars if you will. The kid is strapped in and smacks the ground pretty hard. Horrified, we run over to see if both are okay and need any help and what happens? He tells me to fuck off. The temptation to break that guys nose was almost too hard to resist.
4) I'm riding with a group of people and we pull over for a stretch and to let some others catch up. Coming towards us on a damp fire road is a guy on his rigid towing his kid in a trailer made for that purpose. The kid is balling it's eyes out and is covered in slick mud that has been sprayed all over him from the ride. One other person in our group suggested he pull the clear vinyl sheet down so the kid doesn't choke and die on mud and he is told to get fucked and mind his own business.
The position I am in requires me to show concern for other's well being. That instinct doesn't switch off when I change hats and go somewhere else. Those examples I showed are a pure example of what makes my mind up about people carrying their kids on the bicycles. On paper, it's a pretty simple exercise but to me, the potential harm is too great a risk for such a small reward.
scblack
Leucocholic
I have passed Hundreds of people with bike trailers with happy kids in the back.
I have passed also probably Hundreds of people with their happy kids in a bike seat.
I'd say my hundreds of good witnessed experiences trump your four bad ones. To call something harmful on the basis of four ignorant fools is rather going over the top don't you think?
C0na
Likes Bikes and Dirt
The key word is 'example'......
scblack
Leucocholic
C0na
Likes Bikes and Dirt
Examples.....
No Skid Marks
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No but I can calculate what I'd do with it would be no more dangerous than most other things I would do with my child outdoors. With the bike seat I can take my child in the fresh air, see some scenery with nature, have fun and be away from cars and other people.
What awful stories. These muppets probably don't strap their kids in the car properly and are cranky preoccupied when driving or dong anything else when they should be focussed. The bike is just a catalyst for a bad result of their stupidity that would probably result in equal injury any other way. Most laws we all suffer from are made to protect idiots like these. Where do you draw the line. China where the pretty much occy strap kids to bikes anywhere probably is statistically safer, because they;re used to it and have a better means of calculating the risks. Maybe Chinas a bad example as they have bad life respect as a whole(gross generalization yes)but you get my point. Germans and auto speed might be a better example.
Thanks for this post though. I wouldn't say I have a vested interest in these seats, but I did want to sell them if possible. Due to your post though, I would not. I don't want to provide a tool for idiots to hurt kids with. I do still want one though. and would get them for mates. Would also have to presume most people on here would have enough bike savvy to use one safely.
Fair point and yeah, I can see your side of it. In no way will I say every person who uses it is a dimwit who will crash the thing, I'm sure that 1% of society would be responsible.
scblack
Leucocholic
You do make a good point though. You and I are accomplished riders compared to the average parent. Many "normal" parents would be more likely to crash than we would - with or without a child.
Are you calling 99% of the population dimwits? Another good point....
C0na
Likes Bikes and Dirt
No, no it doesn't. You are comparing statistics with no time-frame. Rending the comparison nullvoid. :llama:
My 1% offering is very generous.
moorey
call me Mia
Reading dozers story, the elephant in the room is kids wearing beanies :tsk:
For the record, we tried a caboose when the daughter was very young, she hated it. I couldn't/wouldn't come at other methods, so I made sure she learned to ride early, and got a tagalong as soon as she felt ready for it.
Yeah, there was a couple of years I couldn't take her anywhere in between those times, but we didn't need to take her anywhere on the bike, so I was happy to avoid what I see as poor options and spend the time working on her riding.
For the record, we tried a caboose when the daughter was very young, she hated it. I couldn't/wouldn't come at other methods, so I made sure she learned to ride early, and got a tagalong as soon as she felt ready for it.
Yeah, there was a couple of years I couldn't take her anywhere in between those times, but we didn't need to take her anywhere on the bike, so I was happy to avoid what I see as poor options and spend the time working on her riding.
scblack
Leucocholic
You're one of Dozer's 99% aren't you?
Up until now I had been considering a shock for my bike. Can that idea.:llama: