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Who will you vote for May 2025?

  • Liberals

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Labor

    Votes: 22 37.9%
  • Nationals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greens

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Independant (other than teals)

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Clive Palmer Trumpet of Patriots Shitshow

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Teals

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • One Nation

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Jacquie Lambie squad

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Donkey/Invalid vote

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Total voters
    58
Victoria is going to be a watershed election for so many reasons, I reckon.
  1. Unloved government
  2. Dysfunctional opposition
  3. High violent crime (or going by the news headlines, at least...)
  4. Social cohesion hitting some scary lows
    1. The presence of white nationalists
    2. The presence of closeted white nationalists
    3. The presence of cookers
  5. Some large diaspora communities, a small few which vote in community blocs rather than making informed individual decisions
  6. General dissatisfaction
    1. One Nation.
You forgot corrupt government but if that only makes them unloved then they will be a shoo-in at the next election.
 
Yeah, I mean it has definitely been our democratic superpower. But I wonder if dissatisfaction and generational change will have a greater impact this time around.

I think the generational change is a big one, Sam Roggeveen wrote about it last decade and I think that the foundational element of it is ringing true: The two party system is out of date because the reason for its existence is no longer present in civic life (The parties aren't gaining members like they used to, people aren't joining unions, churches, volunteering, etc., media has fractured, etc. etc. etc.). And I don't think that kids vote the way their parents did, like they had for generations (when I went to uni 20+ years ago, the main determinant of how you voted was how your parents voted - I get the feeling this is no longer true, largely because the media environment has completely changed).
Yeah that is all likely true but a fracturing away from the two party system is not only likely inevitable (we're already seeing it in the UK and nfi how the GOP survives post Trump cultism), but if it moves us to European style multi-party coalitions that'll probably ultimately be okay? Unstable sure, but probably more representative than what either major party can manage now. Maybe.

As you say the only caveat to all this is the sheer volume of people who have shunned mainstream media and now get their "news" exclusively via social media or platforms where there is zero accountability and users are just being fed algorithmic slop that never contradicts their opinions.
 
I've seen a similar thing in local council. There are and increasing number of councillor candidates that are simply there to "stick it to the man" or have a grip with council and just want to be a pain in the arse. They get in because there now are enough uneducated idiots that also don't have a clue how the world works that vote for them.
There is a guy in a neighbouring council that was a Facebook warrior who ended up getting elected as a councillor, who hasn't a clue how a council works. He continually calls out the council for issues that have nothing to do with council, he once asked the council to ban the migrant workers from the CBD because he seen the bus the were travelling in, driving too fast. A council can't ban an ethnic group for and issue that is a Police matter in regard to the driver. He also wanted to move all the homeless out to the country somewhere so you didn't have to deal with them when walking around town.
Yet, he has a passionate group of supporter, who are all just as dumb and ignorant as he is, so he'll probably get in again.
 
I've seen a similar thing in local council. There are and increasing number of councillor candidates that are simply there to "stick it to the man" or have a grip with council and just want to be a pain in the arse. They get in because there now are enough uneducated idiots that also don't have a clue how the world works that vote for them.
There is a guy in a neighbouring council that was a Facebook warrior who ended up getting elected as a councillor, who hasn't a clue how a council works. He continually calls out the council for issues that have nothing to do with council, he once asked the council to ban the migrant workers from the CBD because he seen the bus the were travelling in, driving too fast. A council can't ban an ethnic group for and issue that is a Police matter in regard to the driver. He also wanted to move all the homeless out to the country somewhere so you didn't have to deal with them when walking around town.
Yet, he has a passionate group of supporter, who are all just as dumb and ignorant as he is, so he'll probably get in again.
We have Louise Elliot in Hobart council... A genuinely gross person, got suspended for making personal threats to the family of another councilor. Got cheered on by a large fan base of ignorant arseholes that are very common here... All super classy.
 
The council thing is a cooker issue - often people beyond even ON level crazy. They discovered that it's relatively easy to nominate yourself and get voted into a local council by your cooker mates because so few people actually get involved in council politics, which makes it surprisingly easy.

A big focus seems to be banning LGBT books/events in libraries, but you can be sure they'll be trying to insert any grievance they can. Disrupting council meetings with endless dumb questions and harassment is another big focus.

Morons.
 
I've seen a similar thing in local council. There are and increasing number of councillor candidates that are simply there to "stick it to the man" or have a grip with council and just want to be a pain in the arse. They get in because there now are enough uneducated idiots that also don't have a clue how the world works that vote for them.
There is a guy in a neighbouring council that was a Facebook warrior who ended up getting elected as a councillor, who hasn't a clue how a council works. He continually calls out the council for issues that have nothing to do with council, he once asked the council to ban the migrant workers from the CBD because he seen the bus the were travelling in, driving too fast. A council can't ban an ethnic group for and issue that is a Police matter in regard to the driver. He also wanted to move all the homeless out to the country somewhere so you didn't have to deal with them when walking around town.
Yet, he has a passionate group of supporter, who are all just as dumb and ignorant as he is, so he'll probably get in again.
How bad can it get, you ask?

 
How bad can it get, you ask?

Why would a Port Hedland councillor even have any need to be on Russian TV?
Free speech and all of that aside, just why.........pickup the bins and fix the potholes please and that'll do me.

Seems to me that in the past few years we have had almost anyone that is unliked for whatever reason is called a 'Nazi'.
I guess there are potentially more Nazi's recently than found in all of WW2.
 
Victoria is going to be a watershed election for so many reasons, I reckon.
  1. Unloved government
  2. Dysfunctional opposition
  3. High violent crime (or going by the news headlines, at least...)
  4. Social cohesion hitting some scary lows
    1. The presence of white nationalists
    2. The presence of closeted white nationalists
    3. The presence of cookers
  5. Some large diaspora communities, a small few which vote in community blocs rather than making informed individual decisions
  6. General dissatisfaction
    1. One Nation.
Education hey.... Cost you 8 bucks

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Would you prefer the Chinese be the dominant power in our region?
probably not? and I am not as familiar with history of the current status of the world as more learned burners, but happy to be schooled.

we don't have many options for hitching our wagon to a larger power..
 
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Aren't they already?

I'd prefer it every kvnt reads the signs and stays in their lane but apparently that's too simple.
No they aren't, but they are trying their best to be. If you want to know more, search about the competition for influence in the Pacific Islands and the Chinese live fire testing of missiles off our coast (that is an inherently unfriendly act).

Yeah, it would be nice if countries didn't compete for dominance, but nowhere in history has that been the case, unfortunately.

You arent the biggest fan of the Chinese Govt I deducted in years here. Are they a lesser evil than the Septic Tanks? I think so. But it depends what one’s definition of evil is.
The US right now are pretty on the nose, no denying that. They have done a bunch of bad shit in history as well, but show me a country that has not. Every country has some darkness in their past, whether that be England, Japan, India, Brazil, Spain, Sweden, Egypt, Iran, etc. etc.

But The US hasn't got anything like this in its past since slavery was abolished hundreds of years ago:

That's just happening right now in China - there are literally concentration camps and state-run slavery prisons in China. If you don't like what happened to the Jews in pre-WWII Germany, then you won't like what is happening in China today. And that's only the stuff that I pull from the top of my head.

There is nothing even close to that in the US today. The closest I can come to that is the family separation stuff at the border (which is fucking horrible). However, in the US, the media can document it, people can protest against it, lawyers can take it to court without the Government throwing them in black prisons or simply just killing them like what occurs in China.

More later.
 
The perception of the USA must really be in the toilet if people are starting to think that China under the CCP is a viable alternative for regional hegemony.

No matter how bad things may seem now there's so much potential for it to be so very, very much worse.

The CCP also have a pretty strong Trumpian habit of throwing massive diplomatic tantrums the moment anyone says anything they don't like as well. Look how they treated us when we politely asked for an enquiry into the COVID-19 outbreak.
 
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