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Who will you vote for May 2025?

  • Liberals

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Labor

    Votes: 22 37.9%
  • Nationals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Greens

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Independant (other than teals)

    Votes: 13 22.4%
  • Clive Palmer Trumpet of Patriots Shitshow

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Teals

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • One Nation

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Jacquie Lambie squad

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Donkey/Invalid vote

    Votes: 2 3.4%

  • Total voters
    58
The reason why the latest polls are misleading and have misled everyone inlcuding One Notion:

1) the question and comparison of a 2 party preffered basis is not the choice people will be facing when they actually vote. So it is not very realistic anyway. I think there has been a great unaccounting! EDIT: an unaccounting of the teal chasm.

2) we all know from the last election Dutton and any Trump like policies were comprehensively rejected and a large part of that story was the rise of the teals. Teal territory/demographics are exactly those people in comfortable city electorates that used to vote liberal when moderates like Turnbull, Bishop, Pyne at al (the Menzians) were in "power" and influential.

3) the teal voters will never vote One Notion. Generally, they just are not unsophisticated enough. Though they might dislike the ALP enough to say they'd prefer One Notion, as many would have property investments and may be reacting to the capital gains and negative gearing changes introduced by the latest budget.

4) There's no shortage of misinformation about their likely affects, already the pundits are saying they will do nothing to increase supply and make property cheaper, without explaining how they've arrived at that inference. The only way you can work through the likely affects is model some numbers. It's something I think Chalmers and Albanese could have done too; used a "reasonable" test case to demonstrate the effects.

5) Taylor, has now said he doesn't think the lower house prices are good. On one hand he doesn't think the changes will make prices cheaper, and on the other now that they are, he doesn't think it is good! It's more likely the dropping real estate market is for other reasons, like interest rate rises, uncertainty due the the new middle east conflict, but all the same cheaper house prices is he goal. Now that it has been delivered through other factors it's no good? Nonsensical utterances like this are playing into the hands of One Notion, notwithstanding they don't have any answers or any policies do deliver cheaper home ownership either. When people think about this and realise this they won't vote for either. Especially in teal territory.
 
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This is about right wing media outlet Skynews and the kind of misleading "news" they present. The timing here is interesting, because these rises were nearly a year ago, so why this revelation now? It may have been calculated to help stir up anger against the Government and whip up support for One Notion.

01/06/2026 James MacPherson https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/...y-rise/video/3c148dc397eac8ccaedbf4b7bbb616e5

Anthony Albanese ‘quietly collected’ a $57k pay rise

Sky News host James Macpherson says Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has “quietly collected” a $57k pay rise.

Checking these facts; this amount of $57,000 appears to be incorrect, or at best misleading. The fact is on 1st July 2025, yes 2025, 11 months ago, ALL Federal politicians received a 2.4% payrise which gave the PM an increase from $607,471-a-year to $622,050, that is only $14.5K, still generous but nothing like $57K.

It's possible the PM's electorate allowance which would be $57K was mistaken somehow as the amount of the increase. I think it's also possible it was no mistake at all. EDIT: this $57K is an accumulation of all increases over the 4 years (Albanese sworn in as PM on 23 May 2022).

At the same time the opposition leader, Sussan Ley, received an increase of $10,374 to $442,643. Though, for the same 4 year period that's up from $392,066 to $442,643 and an increase of $50,577. Not bad remuneration for an opposition leader whose performance isn't scrutinised anywhere near as much and does not have much expectation placed upon them. Just as an exercise though, compare Sussan Ley's performance with Angus Taylor's. It might be fair to say she was doing some constructive work trying to rebuild the opposition and the Liberal Party. Taylor hasn't done anything constructive, it has been all negative so far IMHO. He's just continuing with the far right's wet dream.

All of details were reported at the time, 11 months ago, but with the full picture. Also for a little history I have included articles on Scott Morrison's payrises too.

1. 11/06/2025 Jessica Wang https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...k/news-story/6dbabbc56ab18e3b382d9775a711f908

Renumeration Tribunal sets 2.4 per cent pay rise for MPs, Anthony Albanese to pocket extra $14.5k
Politicians are set to increase their annual salary by thousands from July 1, with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese pocketing a boost of nearly $15,000.

Anthony Albanese and other politicians are set for a plumped-up pay packed in just weeks, with the Prime Minister’s salary jumping from about $607,471-a-year to $622,050.

Politicians, department secretaries and other senior public servants will get a 2.4 per cent pay rise from July 1, following the determination of the 2025 Review of Remuneration for Holders of Public Office.

The statement issued by the Remuneration Tribunal on Wednesday noted that the total remuneration increases given in the past year have been “relatively modest,” totalling 18.65 per cent since 2016.

While the 2.4 per cent pay bump matched inflation, it is under the 3.4 per cent wage-price index for the public sector, and less than the 3.4 per cent and 4 per cent increases awarded by the Tribunal in 2024 and 2023 after salaries stalled during the Covid pandemic.

“In contrast, remuneration increases more generally in the public and private sectors (based on overall March Wage Price Index data from 2016-2025) equate to 25.6 per cent,” the statement said.

The 2.4 per cent boost was also lower than the Fair Work Commission’s Annual Wage Review which determined a 3.5 per cent above-inflation increase to the minimum wage and Australians on modern award wages.

A backbencher will see their salary increase from about $233,660 to $239,267, while Sussan Ley will get a boost of $10,374 to $442,643.

Jim Chalmers’ annual pay will be boosted to $448,625, a bump of $10,514 while cabinet ministers will receive an uplift of $4065 to $412,735.

Politicians are also given an electorate allowance which covers expenses incurred to “provide services to their constituents” such as travelling, in additional to a private plated vehicle.

Senators get a flat rate of $39,700 per year, while MPs are given between $39,700 to $57,100 depending on the size of their electorate.

2. 18/05/2022 William Summers https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/has-scott-morrisons-salary-gone-from-140000-to-550000-in-a-decade/

Has Scott Morrison's salary gone from $140,000 to $550,000 in a decade?

Labor party and union figures have attempted to contrast the prime minister's pay packet with stagnant wage growth for low-income earners, claiming Scott Morrison's salary has swelled from $140,000 to $550,000 over a decade.

The figures are broadly accurate. Between July 2011 and March 2012, Mr Morrison earned $140,910, although by May 2012 - a decade ago to the month of the claim - this had increased to $231,250 following a large pay rise for federal politicians and the introduction of extra pay for shadow ministers.

The claim followed the publication of a news.com.au article1 on May 12 that said: "Mr Morrison's annual salary has jumped from $140,000, when he was a backbencher, to $550,000, as prime minister, in the last decade alone".

Australian Council of Trade Unions leader Sally McManus2 tweeted a link3 to the story along with a comment reading: "The Prime Minister's pay has gone from $140,000 to $550,000 over the last decade. A huge increase. Yet he wants people on $40,000 to go backwards." …

3. 06/06/2019 updated 01/10/2020 Samantha Maiden https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/06/06/scott-morrison-pay-rise

Scott Morrison gets $11,000 pay rise on the day workers lose penalty rates

Scott Morrison has earned an $11,000-a-year pay rise on the same day some of Australia’s lowest-paid workers had their penalty rates cut. But there’s even better news for the Prime Minister if his tax cut package gets the Senate’s approval. Mr Morrison stands to double his money and secure an $11,000-a-year tax cut in 2024 if he’s still in the top job.

The independent remuneration tribunal announced a 2 per cent increase to all MPs’ pay on Thursday. The Prime Minister has secured three pay rises in just a year, taking his annual salary to $549,229 annually. His total annual pay increase since July 1, 2018, including becoming PM, is $141,229. For Mr Morrison, the 2 per cent pay bump will deliver an immediate salary increase of $10,769 on July 1.

Mr Morrison secured a $12,409 wage rise as Treasurer in July, bringing his salary to $420,409. But a month later, after Malcolm Turnbull was dumped as PM, Mr Morrison grabbed the top job and his salary jumped on August 24.

ACTU assistant secretary Liam O’Brien pointed out that the Prime Minister’s latest pay increase came on the same day that retail workers faced further penalty rate cuts.

4. 07/06/2019 Paul Osbourne https://www.afr.com/politics/federa...ay-rise-on-top-of-his-538-460-20190607-p51vi3

Scott Morrison gets a $10,000 pay rise on top of his $538,460

Federal MPs have been granted a 2 per cent pay rise from July 1, just as 700,000 retail and hospitality workers are set to have their penalty rates cut.

The independent Remuneration Tribunal said in its decision - which relates to all public offices in its jurisdiction including federal judges and public servants - it had taken into account economic restraint, lower wage growth more broadly and the government's public sector workplace bargaining policy.

"The tribunal notes that various indicators predict that wage growth is expected to increase gradually, lagging economic growth," it said on Thursday.
"Wage growth has increased modestly over the past year, with reliable measures indicating private sector wage growth is now equalling or outpacing the public sector."

Prime Minister Scott Morrison is expected to receive a bump of just over $10,000 a year on top of his current $538,460. At present, MPs and senators get a base annual salary of $207,100.

United Voice secretary Jo-anne Schofield said workers in the hospitality industry could lose as much as $2000 a year when further penalty rate cuts come into force on July 1.
"Working people need jobs that are secure and pay them fairly - not more cuts that stop them from being able to pay for life's essentials," she said in a statement.

The average hospitality worker earns $20.91 an hour for weekday shifts. The next 10 percentage point penalty rate transition in the new financial year will mean weekend hospitality workers will have lost $40 a week.

AAP
To think I thought somewhat benevolently of Skynews because they sponsored a great cycling team of Team Sky which did a power of good for Britich cycling providing the resources for the TDF victories of Sir Bradley Wiggins in 2012, Chris Froome in 2013, 2014, 2015, 2017, and Gerraint Thomas in 2018. How mistaken I was.

The truth be known, now that I found it, Skynews in Britain (owned by Comcast and is fact based news) is completely different to Skynews in Australia which is owned by News Corp. Another insidious Murdoch creation.

I always knew Skynews Australia is not be trusted I just had not connected all the dots back to the Chairman Emeritus.

There are more dots but it's scary to think about. The Murdochs, Rinehart, all with a common goal.
 
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When they class it as "opinion" (first link) and not news, no longer needs to be factual, just not defamatory?
Here is a chronology of pay adjustments made by the Parliamentary Remuneration Tribunal (see Appendix A: Chronology of changes to parliamentarian’s base and ministerial salaries, 2017 to 2024 https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parlia...neration_and_business_resources_a_quick_guide)
In Summary from 2017 to 2024 (normally adjustments come into force 1st of July):
2017 2.0% but no rise for 18 months, so nominally 1.6%
2018 2.0%
2019 2.0%
2020 0
2021 0
2022 2.75%
2023 4.0% but delayed until September
2024 3.75%

Skynews James MacPherson derived this $57K amount by accumulating all payrises since being sworn in as PM on 23rd May 2022 but it is nothing like a full and frank discussion. Compare that with Channel 9's balanced reporting of the September 2023 payrise https://www.nine.com.au/australia-n...-pay-rise-in-last-decade-20230829-p5yuw8.html which includes the whole picture.

All the usual tricks of the far right using techniques such as manipulation of voter sentiment using Psy-Ops and narrow targeting of the PM. Arguably it is factual, but it is a very misleading and selective presentation of the facts. The timing leaves little doubt about the intention. Even Jessica Wang's report for News Corp in June 2025 was far more truthful as it included more of the entire picture.
 
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I will never understand Mr Palmer.

Must have too much money and a chunky esteemed leader complex. I thought he was done for good last time, but doesn't seem to have taken the hint.

It is too small to line the cat litter house fully but is still going in.
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I will never understand Mr Palmer.

Must have too much money and a chunky esteemed leader complex. I thought he was done for good last time, but doesn't seem to have taken the hint.

It is too small to line the cat litter house fully but is still going in.
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Is there an election soon?
He was talkin to pauline the other day as well...

Ginas One Notion...providing PH with policy advice
 
Greens are agitating for the CGT changes to not be grandfathered... While that would be lovely on some levels, its woefully tin eared and lacking any strategic nous and not at all remotely helpful.

CPRS 2.0?
 
Just build Government owned multi-storey one and two bedroom dwellings and rent control them.

Live in them as long as you like.

Nice idea, but we can't build our way out of this. Not when building costs have soared nearly 50% in the past 5 years, with another substantial cost bubble just around the corner thanks to Trump's Iran excursion. And that's not including all the issues around planning, the endless armada of retired nimbys with nothing better to do than complain about any change, and the shortfalls in skilled migration required to build them (and good luck selling that issue in today's climate).
 
How many houses would be built per year with the cost of negative gearing to guvmint?

It is good question. I do believe that finance companies / banks prefer or some only lend for an already built houses or apartments etc.

When it isn't already built then there is a chance that might not be completed or have defects etc. A few unknowns that they don't get excited them to tick a box.
 
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