My wax based lube recipe
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ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Was still in a sealed candle shop bag and the 3 chains I did yesterday seem to have worked well.
Might get a light behind the slab and look for inconsistencies just in case
Ackland
chats d'élevage
At least you'll be able to assist with police inquiries when a batch of waxy gear lands on the streetsWas still in a sealed candle shop bag and the 3 chains I did yesterday seem to have worked well.
Might get a light behind the slab and look for inconsistencies just in case
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
I'm not even going to bother adding the PTFE when it arrives.
Amphetamine is way faster... real OzzySpeedWax.
ForkinGreat
Knows his Brassica oleracea
Interesting that the teflon doesn't seem to mix properly with the wax. I've read a bit more on PTFE/Teflon, and it seems like a really shit idea to use it as it ends up in the waterways, and don't FFS breathe the fumes in etc, so I'm going to try something different.Start with new chains!
You've read the thread so I won't bore you with details. Slosh around in Mineral Turps a few times, Turps soak overnight. Then rinse with Methylated Spirits a few times. In the wax until the chain is the same temp as the wax.
@fjohn860 I bought that last time but I find the PTFE doesn't penetrative the chain, it just settles on top. It's still in the pot because it's still cleanish. I'm not saying it doesn't have an effect, just reporting my experience.
My current bag came from Spotlight, but I don't remember it costing 30 clams.
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I'm getting 200km in our fine dust before the chain starts sounding dry and has those tell tale little squeaks. Luckily thats exactly a week of commuting. Some days, particularly later in the week, when I roll off the dirt the chain sounds fucking horrible but by the time I'm home it's shed the dirt and sounds reasonable again. That's the best bit, there's no wet stuff for the dirt to stick to. Which means a clean chain when it goes in Mrs George's car and the shopping and school bags bounce off it.
There's an eBay seller doing 100g molybdenum disulphide powder for about $18 posted in Aus. doesn't say micronized or anything. There's also Tungsten Disulphide micronized powder, which seems to be the erogenous zones of every major flying insect in the western world, and it's accordingly exxy. $35ish bucks posted for 25g from Hagen Automation.
Molten speed wax sells their race powder. jar of Molybdenum with a bit of tungsten, for $55 at Zero friction, but I assume that's predominantly Molybdenum powder. They suggest brushing it onto a waxed chain for races etc.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
I've added 100g of Beeswax to my 500g of Paraffin wax as it been sitting in a drawer for a few years.
The problem is... I have nothing to compare it to as that was my first go at it.
Read in a few places that a 4:1 Paraffin/beeswax was a good mixture. I'll drop in the extra 25g next melt as I didn't know how they would react but it mixes straight in.
The problem is... I have nothing to compare it to as that was my first go at it.
Read in a few places that a 4:1 Paraffin/beeswax was a good mixture. I'll drop in the extra 25g next melt as I didn't know how they would react but it mixes straight in.
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ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Strange, I measured the chain on my Spur a few days ago while still on the bike, it was coming up for a change but not there yet.
Reckon it may have had another couple of hundred km on it.
Did the methylated spirits and mineral turps clean, then waxed it. Went for a ride yesterday and measured it today just before I went riding, spot on 0.75.
Wonder did the deep clean clear some claggy shite out from around the pins ?
Faaak knows, new chain later.
Reckon it may have had another couple of hundred km on it.
Did the methylated spirits and mineral turps clean, then waxed it. Went for a ride yesterday and measured it today just before I went riding, spot on 0.75.
Wonder did the deep clean clear some claggy shite out from around the pins ?
Faaak knows, new chain later.
cokeonspecialtwodollars
Fartes of Portingale
Yep, I find that the molten wax gets inbetween the rollers and fills in the gaps thereby reducing the stretch measured on the chain.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Its nearly the opposite here, the measurements were better before the waxing, now its been cleaned, waxed and 2 rides in, its on 0.75mm and as of 15 mins ago, in my scrap chain box.
Dunno why I keep them but there must be 50 in there, might make a chain sculpture some day.
Cardy George
Piercing rural members since 1981
Think about how much gets stuck on the outside then imagine what works its way in.
It's killing me, but I'm not going to get to waxing my new stuff until next week
cokeonspecialtwodollars
Fartes of Portingale
Ahh sorry, I originally read that as the stretch had improved.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
Holy shit, theres a bit more to this waxing than a quick dip.
Just on my last of five 14hr nightshifts and been watching a bit of stuff from a local chain guru at Zero friction.
I have actually watched several hours of his now and while its slow going, there's a load of great information in his videos.
Very surprised how much cleaning is involved to get a chain cleaned for maximum wax adhesion.
If you have some time to kill, this guy goes into every aspect of chains, lubes, measurement and really analyses results. Best chains, fastest, wear speed... a lot of info.
I also got some reassurance back from Apex Imports here in Australia that their YBN chains are sourced from the manufacturer in Taiwan, he also asked me to call him for additional verification proof.
Ordered 2 x YBN SLA1210 Ti G 12spd chains tonight. Apparently up to 8000km per chain with submersion waxing, so that will be interesting. The Shimano chain on my Spur that was just replaced a few days ago, did 1520km before it reached 0.75mm and scrapped. These 2 chains will be rotated on my Spur, will also run a rotating set of XT M8100's on my Deviate.
Also very interesting that Zero Friction work with most chains apart from KMC as the wear rate on KMC chains is so fast, they don't bother testing or immersion waxing KMC chains.
Just on my last of five 14hr nightshifts and been watching a bit of stuff from a local chain guru at Zero friction.
I have actually watched several hours of his now and while its slow going, there's a load of great information in his videos.
Very surprised how much cleaning is involved to get a chain cleaned for maximum wax adhesion.
If you have some time to kill, this guy goes into every aspect of chains, lubes, measurement and really analyses results. Best chains, fastest, wear speed... a lot of info.
I also got some reassurance back from Apex Imports here in Australia that their YBN chains are sourced from the manufacturer in Taiwan, he also asked me to call him for additional verification proof.
Ordered 2 x YBN SLA1210 Ti G 12spd chains tonight. Apparently up to 8000km per chain with submersion waxing, so that will be interesting. The Shimano chain on my Spur that was just replaced a few days ago, did 1520km before it reached 0.75mm and scrapped. These 2 chains will be rotated on my Spur, will also run a rotating set of XT M8100's on my Deviate.
Also very interesting that Zero Friction work with most chains apart from KMC as the wear rate on KMC chains is so fast, they don't bother testing or immersion waxing KMC chains.
Cardy George
Piercing rural members since 1981
You should see Adam's Facebook posts!Holy shit, theres a bit more to this waxing than a quick dip.
Just on my last of five 14hr nightshifts and been watching a bit of stuff from a local chain guru at Zero friction.
I have actually watched several hours of his now and while its slow going, there's a load of great information in his videos.
Very surprised how much cleaning is involved to get a chain cleaned for maximum wax adhesion.
If you have some time to kill, this guy goes into every aspect of chains, lubes, measurement and really analyses results. Best chains, fastest, wear speed... a lot of info.
I also got some reassurance back from Apex Imports here in Australia that their YBN chains are sourced from the manufacturer in Taiwan, he also asked me to call him for additional verification proof.
Ordered 2 x YBN SLA1210 Ti G 12spd chains tonight. Apparently up to 8000km per chain with submersion waxing, so that will be interesting. The Shimano chain on my Spur that was just replaced a few days ago, did 1520km before it reached 0.75mm and scrapped. These 2 chains will be rotated on my Spur, will also run a rotating set of XT M8100's on my Deviate.
Also very interesting that Zero Friction work with most chains apart from KMC as the wear rate on KMC chains is so fast, they don't bother testing or immersion waxing KMC chains.
Preparation is the biggest time consuming part of it all. Last night applied some squirt lube to my original chain, I can already hear it grinding away. Hopefully that won't bite me in the arse when I come to clean it next weekend.
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
He's a passionate bloke, I've spoke to him in passing a few times at races.You should see Adam's Facebook posts!
Preparation is the biggest time consuming part of it all. Last night applied some squirt lube to my original chain, I can already hear it grinding away. Hopefully that won't bite me in the arse when I come to clean it next weekend.
Used chain ??? Ohhhh thats a 7 x 250ml cleaning job
I originally thought that the whole waxing and zero friction thing was about racers having to use less watts turn their super fast chain... and a side effect of that was chain longevity and a clean drivetrain (which I was interested in) but its looking more about 'any friction' is causing wear to your chain and drivetrain and how to reduce friction/stiction, giving you the most efficient drivetrain as possible.
Ackland
chats d'élevage
You've gone full deep end Bill....
Adam is passionate and waxed chains have their place but his testing methodologies are based on flawed science.
I'm not saying wax doesn't do a fantastic job but the numbers quoted aren't scientifically accurate.
If you look at industries that massively rely on lubrication efficiency (think very large industrial processes/F1 motors and the like) they have strict testing regimes
Adam is passionate and waxed chains have their place but his testing methodologies are based on flawed science.
I'm not saying wax doesn't do a fantastic job but the numbers quoted aren't scientifically accurate.
If you look at industries that massively rely on lubrication efficiency (think very large industrial processes/F1 motors and the like) they have strict testing regimes
ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
We'll see soon, I've got all the gear so no excuses. Going to grab some more YBN SLA chains in 11spd and do the same on my IndyFab after I see what they look like.
So my main 3 bikes will all be running on waxed chains. Even the Zwift bike has one
What's the worst that can happen... I end up back on squirt or RnR.
Cardy George
Piercing rural members since 1981
I try a point out whenever I'm asked that I'm not chasing watts, I'm after cleanliness and longevity.
Theory is dirt doesnt stick to wax, and if it's not sticking then it's not being ground into your chain and sprockets.
Smoothness? I don't reckon there's much difference.
Oddjob
Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
But what about the sinter as the bushings break down? If that sticks around you essentially have the same problem. If the contaminated lubricant around the bushings doesn't get flushed out somehow then you're no better off.
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ozzybmx
taking a shit with my boobs out
All new to me and I have no proof, results or experience of any of this.
What they are saying is that once the factory grease is completely removed, the wax gets a good adhesion on the chain surface and stops dirt sticking, the dirt is the contaminant causing the friction, stitction and wear.
At approximately 250km on MTB and 400km road, the chain will start to get noisy and need a rewax. Which consists of pouring or rinsing the chain in boiling water, then also during the rewax as the chain is 'swished' around in ~80-100°C melted wax, dirt and metallic pieces may be released and displaced from around the pins and bushes.