Middle East situation

[pink poodle]

I hear the figs are pretty good.

 

[ForkinGreat]

But they did burn them, probably more horrific

And Israel has been extensively bombing civilians with white phosphorus munitions. Their use against civilians is considered a War Crime.

Evidence of Israel's unlawful use of white phosphorus in southern Lebanon as cross-border hostilities escalate

The Israeli army fired artillery shells containing white phosphorus, an incendiary weapon, in military operations along Lebanon’s southern border between 10 and 16 October 2023.

www.amnesty.org

The usage of white phosphorus is restricted under international humanitarian law. Although there can be lawful uses, it must never be fired at, or in close proximity to, a populated civilian area or civilian infrastructure, due to the high likelihood that the fires and smoke it causes spread. Such attacks, which fail to distinguish between civilians and civilian objects and fighters and military objectives, are indiscriminate and thus prohibited.

White phosphorus is an incendiary substance mostly used to create a dense smoke screen or mark targets. When exposed to air, it burns at extremely high temperatures and often starts fires in the areas in which it is deployed. People exposed to white phosphorus can suffer respiratory damage, organ failure and other horrific and life-changing injuries, including burns that are extremely difficult to treat and cannot be put out with water. Burns affecting only 10 percent of the body are often fatal.

White phosphorus munitions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Do Photos and Video Confirm Israel Used White Phosphorus Munitions Over Gaza Seaport?

The use of white phosphorus, a component of smoke screens, is widely considered a war crime when deployed over populated areas as an incendiary tool.

www.snopes.com

https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/white-phosphorus-bombs-overview

 

[rockmoose]

But they did burn them, probably more horrific

No proof of that either. Current investigations say the family probably placed them live in the oven, as a safe hidey hole. Obviously weren't expecting Isreal to bomb the shit out of their home.

 

[Scotty T]

But they did burn them, probably more horrific

No proof of that either. Current investigations say the family probably placed them live in the oven, as a safe hidey hole. Obviously weren't expecting Isreal to bomb the shit out of their home.

Perhaps cooked by white phosphorous?

 

[ForkinGreat]

Perhaps cooked by white phosphorous?

so, Israel killing their own people. There were reports of that happening in the October 7th attack chaos. Israeli tanks and aircraft firing on positions where Israeli civilians were caught in the 'unfriendly fire'.

 

[safreek]

All you lefties want the attacked to die

I hear the figs are pretty good.

I'm in, love a nice fig

 

[safreek]

Glad you fellas weren't around during the end of the 2nd ww.
Me personally, would gladly sacrifice 225 thousand enemy civilians to save 50 thousand of my own soldiers.

 

[Flow-Rider]

I don't think you can believe much of what's in the media from both sides other than what you can see happening on the ground.

 

[safreek]

I don't think you can believe much of what's in the media from both sides other than what you can see happening on the ground.

Too true, we are all basing our opinions by what we are being told by all sorts of media.

Everyone one on here is always talking about how you can't trust the news, newspaper ect ect UNLESS it suits their side of the story, then the media is telling the truth

Little clip, Hommus spokesman runs from harsh questions, bit like the so called military side

 

[Dales Cannon]

Glad you fellas weren't around during the end of the 2nd ww.
Me personally, would gladly sacrifice 225 thousand enemy civilians to save 50 thousand of my own soldiers.

Liar, you only have 45,000 soldiers.

 

[Tubbsy]

Soldiers wear helmets don't they?

 

[safreek]

Soldiers wear helmets don't they?

Hmmm, you got me there. Think I need some more planes then

 

[Litenbror]

[Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny] Responsibilities to protect #democracySausageWithMarkKenny
https://podcastaddict.com/democracy-sausage-with-mark-kenny/episode/166456528 via @PodcastAddict

This is a really good breakdown (non-clickbait hyperbole) with an international human rights lawer. Listen to the whole thing as the concluding remarks are important. Everyone should listen to this and @mas2 this might help expand on some of the arguments made above without all of the vitriol and retoric.

 

[mas2]

[Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny] Responsibilities to protect #democracySausageWithMarkKenny
https://podcastaddict.com/democracy-sausage-with-mark-kenny/episode/166456528 via @PodcastAddict

This is a really good breakdown (non-clickbait hyperbole) with an international human rights lawer. Listen to the whole thing as the concluding remarks are important. Everyone should listen to this and @mas2 this might help expand on some of the arguments made above without all of the vitriol and retoric.

Thanks, I'll have a listen.

 

[safreek]

[Democracy Sausage with Mark Kenny] Responsibilities to protect #democracySausageWithMarkKenny
https://podcastaddict.com/democracy-sausage-with-mark-kenny/episode/166456528 via @PodcastAddict

This is a really good breakdown (non-clickbait hyperbole) with an international human rights lawer. Listen to the whole thing as the concluding remarks are important. Everyone should listen to this and @mas2 this might help expand on some of the arguments made above without all of the vitriol and retoric.

I listened to the last 10.minutes. fully agree.
I doubt if Hamas would do any sort of deal though. It's up to the Palestinian public to destroy the clowns and get on with having a real life

 

[Litenbror]

I listened to the last 10.minutes. fully agree.
I doubt if Hamas would do any sort of deal though. It's up to the Palestinian public to destroy the clowns and get on with having a real life

Its one of the challenges we have today, no one is willing to listen to the whole thing. For example there was some very inportant parts about how ocupying forces are responsible for rebuilding the government of the occupyed area for the civilians because the occupyer has destroyed the institutions of government. This isnt an easy sound bite that we can just cherry pick and understand the situation.

The last 10 min is good but to understand it properly you need to listen to the whole hour.

Put it on headphones and go for a ride thats how I find the time to listen to long form info.

 

[ForkinGreat]

http://instagr.am/p/Cz2hgvGroO_/

 

[ForkinGreat]

Guardian Australia on Instagram: "“Since October 7th it’s gotten much, much, much worse,” says 33-year-old Israeli activist Sahar Vardi, describing the increasing settler violence in the West Bank. Vardi, a conscientious objector and activist who is Jewish Israeli, refused to serve in the Israel Defense Forces 15 years ago when she turned 18. Since then she has been working as an activist, fighting against the occupation of Palestine, and doing “protective presence” shifts. “Made up of both international activists and Israeli activists, we’re trying to be within Palestinian communities to go with Palestinians to do agricultural work, harvesting, grazing sheep, and to try and just with our presence, decrease the violence of settlers and soldiers,” explains Vardi. Jewish Israeli settlers believe the West Bank should be Jewish for religious and historical reasons, although the settlements are illegal under international law. Vardi spoke with the Guardian about what those shifts entail, and why she is calling for an end to Israel’s use of military violence in Gaza. “For us as Israelis, it’s very hard to call for [a ceasefire] right now. Calling for a ceasefire is still seen as treason,” she says. Vardi also made a call to people around the world, saying: “The only way to stop it is for the international community to intervene and not just say words and send statements and say that they’re very concerned about humanitarian consequences of Israel’s actions, but to say, ‘we will not allow this’, including if it means cutting support to Israel until Israel agrees to a ceasefire.” Follow the link in bio to read our latest coverage."

3,718 likes, 119 comments - guardianaustralia on November 15, 2023: "“Since October 7th it’s gotten much, much, much worse,” says 33-year-old Israeli activist S..."

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[ForkinGreat]

The Guardian on Instagram: "Apartment blocks, shops and streets shown above in Gaza City, the Gaza strip’s northern and largest city, lie in ruins amid a humanitarian catastrophe that has killed more than 14,000 Palestinians, according to officials in Gaza. Since Israel declared a “complete siege” of Gaza in response to Hamas’s 7 October attack, which killed at least 1,200 people, large parts of the territory have been reduced to rubble. Bombing by the Israeli military followed by a ground invasion have caused a civilian crisis: food, water, fuel and medicines are desperately short, 1.7 million people of Gaza’s 2.3 million population have been displaced, and only 10 out of 36 hospitals are functioning. In the past 24 hours, a deal has been struck between Hamas and Israel to release 50 women and children held hostage by Hamas and other groups in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinian women and children being freed from Israeli jails during a four-day ceasefire, in a deal brokered by Qatar with the support of the US. A US official said three Americans would be among those freed, including a girl who turns four this week, and that the first release should come by Thursday. According to Hamas, Israel will release 150 Palestinian prisoners, all women and children, from Israeli jails and allow hundreds of aid trucks a day to cross the Rafah border with Egypt, providing humanitarian supplies to Palestinians in Gaza. Find out more about the Gaza hostage deal by clicking the link in bio."

19K likes, 1,557 comments - guardian on November 22, 2023: "Apartment blocks, shops and streets shown above in Gaza City, the Gaza strip’s northern and lar..."

www.instagram.com

 

[Oddjob]

The Guardian on Instagram: "Apartment blocks, shops and streets shown above in Gaza City, the Gaza strip’s northern and largest city, lie in ruins amid a humanitarian catastrophe that has killed more than 14,000 Palestinians, according to officials in Gaza. Since Israel declared a “complete siege” of Gaza in response to Hamas’s 7 October attack, which killed at least 1,200 people, large parts of the territory have been reduced to rubble. Bombing by the Israeli military followed by a ground invasion have caused a civilian crisis: food, water, fuel and medicines are desperately short, 1.7 million people of Gaza’s 2.3 million population have been displaced, and only 10 out of 36 hospitals are functioning. In the past 24 hours, a deal has been struck between Hamas and Israel to release 50 women and children held hostage by Hamas and other groups in Gaza in exchange for 150 Palestinian women and children being freed from Israeli jails during a four-day ceasefire, in a deal brokered by Qatar with the support of the US. A US official said three Americans would be among those freed, including a girl who turns four this week, and that the first release should come by Thursday. According to Hamas, Israel will release 150 Palestinian prisoners, all women and children, from Israeli jails and allow hundreds of aid trucks a day to cross the Rafah border with Egypt, providing humanitarian supplies to Palestinians in Gaza. Find out more about the Gaza hostage deal by clicking the link in bio."

19K likes, 1,557 comments - guardian on November 22, 2023: "Apartment blocks, shops and streets shown above in Gaza City, the Gaza strip’s northern and lar..."

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If you're trying to make out that Israel is indiscriminately shelling then I'm not buying it. That looks like Fallujah after the marines did months of house to house CQB or the green line in Beirut during the civil war.

If you want to see what indiscriminate shelling looks like look up before and after photos in Ukraine of places like Bakhmut and Mariupol. Pretty much most of Syria but especially Hama in 1982. Monte Casino in Italy. Or most of eastern France in world war 1.

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