Is it a bicycle or a motorbike? Fight Fight Fight

Stredda said:
So is there already, or are they proposing a 10kph limit?
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They are proposing this, I think they have released the first draft for public input or something, I'm not sure on the full story,
But from what i gather is it applies to pathways and shared trials, which from a MTB point of view, up here in Qld some of the MTB trails and fire roads are classed as Shared trials which has people concerned the law will be applied to that as well.
And the other issue is also riding at 10kph is not stable at that speed.

Wouldn't put it past the QPS to be sitting at the end of a MTB trail or fire road with a radar gun either 😂
 
krazi said:
They are proposing this, I think they have released the first draft for public input or something, I'm not sure on the full story,
But from what i gather is it applies to pathways and shared trials, which from a MTB point of view, up here in Qld some of the MTB trails and fire roads are classed as Shared trials which has people concerned the law will be applied to that as well.
And the other issue is also riding at 10kph is not stable at that speed.

Wouldn't put it past the QPS to be sitting at the end of a MTB trail or fire road with a radar gun either 😂
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It's a looong stretch between "footpath" and "firetrail"
Best to look at actual wording than social media.

A shared path is basically an upgraded footpath that allows bike use at the same time at pedestrians (eg, footpath at beach, the kind where bikes swerve around peds). It is NOT a separated path which has a bicycle side and a pedestrian side.

Most definitely not trail or fire trail, separated path or bike path
(Shared path has a legal definition)

Committee Details | Queensland Parliament

www.parliament.qld.gov.au www.parliament.qld.gov.au

Protect pedestrians by improving the use of footpaths and other shared spaces through:

Providing a consistent 10km/h speed limit for all e-mobility devices on footpaths and shared paths

Allowing PMDs to be used on any road up to 60 km/h to support rider choice and reduce traffic on footpaths.

in NSW only kids (and accompanying adult) can ride on footpaths.. but OK in QLD
www.qld.gov.au

Bicycle road rules and safety

Keep safe and follow the rules while you ride your bike.
www.qld.gov.au www.qld.gov.au
 
The explanatory notes for the bill are here:

Relevant bit:
Footpath speed limits
The Bill includes amendments to the Queensland Road Rules to provide an offence for riding a PMD or EPAC at more than 10 km/h on a footpath or shared path. This replaces the existing offence which imposed a 12 km/h limit for PMD. There was no existing speed limit for EPACs riding on a footpath or shared path, so the amendment also addresses a regulatory gap.

The 10 km/h limit is a default limit that may be displaced where a speed limit sign or path speedlimit marking applies a different (higher or lower) speed limit. The 10km/h limit also does not apply to dedicated bicycle lanes or cycleways where pedestrians are prohibited.

A uniform speed limit for PMDs and EPACs on footpaths and shared paths will support proactiveenforcement. The change is intended to address public safety concerns and improve the safety ofpedestrians. Importantly, lower speeds on footpaths and shared paths may deter riders from usingthese environments in areas with high pedestrian activity or where higher-quality active transportinfrastructure is available, encouraging riders to select routes that better support higher speeds.

Transport and Other Legislation (Managing E-mobility Use and Protecting Our Communities) Amendment Bill 2026 Page 10
As part of these changes, the SPE Regulation is also amended so that the penalty unit prescribed for the infringement notice offence of speeding on a PMD is aligned with that for bicycles (including EPACs). This means that the infringement notice fine for PMDs will double.

For all other areas that are not a footpath or shared path, the default maximum speed for PMDs remains 25 km/h unless a lower speed limit applies under a speed limit sign or pavement marking, while for bicycles (including EPACs) the speed limit continues to be the speed limit applying to the adjacent road, speed limited area, school zone, shared zone or applicable default limits, unless a speed limit sign or pavement marking indicates otherwise.


from the bill. 10km is when crossing road, and where a footpath or shared path does not have a signposted speed limit..
PMDs have a max of 25km/hr, but elec assisted bikes(with pedals) do not have max speed limit (assistance stops at 25)
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The laws seem to be an ill informed knee jerk reaction. However people are going to have to stop going on about not being capable of riding as slow as 10km/h if they are going to have any credibility. Some people rarely get over this speed.
 
Yes click bait to an extent.

Interesting article in Bloomberg. Look I am no wowser, indeed if I had one of these when I was a kid I'd be doing EXACTLY what these kids are doing. I can only admire the skills, one kid the other day at Bronte did an extremely impressive manny/wheelie on a fatboy.

The dudes on the delivery bikes going a million miles and hour on the footpaths are more annoying to me to be honest.

I do recognise that there is a problem however, the question is, what is the solution here?

I though this might make an interesting discussion.

 
I couldn't care less about the pedal ebikes. What needs to happen is a crackdown on the unregistered/unlicensed motorbikes, both e and petrol. Or more to the point a crackdown on large numbers of scum just getting around in broad daylight wearing balaclavas.
Social media is feeding this crap. Even my feeds are constantly filled with morons taunting police or doing dumb shit. I've never searched for it, commented on or ever 'liked' a single video.
 
F G said:
Yes click bait to an extent.

Interesting article in Bloomberg. Look I am no wowser, indeed if I had one of these when I was a kid I'd be doing EXACTLY what these kids are doing. I can only admire the skills, one kid the other day at Bronte did an extremely impressive manny/wheelie on a fatboy.

The dudes on the delivery bikes going a million miles and hour on the footpaths are more annoying to me to be honest.

I do recognise that there is a problem however, the question is, what is the solution here?

I though this might make an interesting discussion.

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archived version https://archive.is/Jx7Kd

different problems need different solutions...
Delivery bikes vs
drunk/dumb normal ppl vs
little chunts emboldened with their getaway bikes...

F G said:
Look I am no wowser, indeed if I had one of these when I was a kid I'd be doing EXACTLY what these kids are doing.
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Riding around in packs blocking traffic/footpaths/cycleways/attacking homeless people/stealing shit? (not all do all of those things, obvs)
They've realised they have power in numbers and speed to get away.. = no accountability
 
^ I never mentioned anything about attacking homeless peeps, or stealing anything. I don't think that is reprentative of what most of these kids are doing at all nor is it mentioned in the article. I was talking about fucking around on my bike with my mates, wheelies down the street etc. doing jumps, all of the stupid things kids do.
 
F G said:
^ I never mentioned anything about attacking homeless peeps, or stealing anything. I don't think that is reprentative of what most of these kids are doing at all nor is it mentioned in the article. I was talking about fucking around on my bike with my mates, wheelies down the street etc. doing jumps, all of the stupid things kids do.
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i understand that. (but those are the darker issues around here) Half the article is about "antisocial behaviour"
(the amsterdam article also says "The reports do not only concern road safety: many reports have also been received regarding nuisance and intimidating behavior by fatbike riders. Because e-bikes are not subject to a license plate requirement, the perpetrators can almost never be apprehended."

there is no need to make more rules or enforce anything for kids being kids :)
even their "takeover" rides have applicable laws already, and riding on golf courses/harbour bridge, already not legal.


should the delivery riders be forced to be road licenced? half of them are probably on bikes because of cost/effort of getting licence, or difficulty transferring an OS licence if they even had one back home... (and it's a shitty job...)
it's already illegal for them to ride on footpaths in NSW (legal in queensland)

Re drunk people, is already illegal to ride a bike/scooter drunk or without helmet.. so the laws are already there.
They could ban share-bikes/scooters? mostly they are on trial atm..
 
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Been hearing reports of little e-shits whizzing through supermarket aisles locally, not exactly the fatbikes fault, but does up the risks and the ease of escape...
 
oldcorollas said:
Been hearing reports of little e-shits whizzing through supermarket aisles locally, not exactly the fatbikes fault, but does up the risks and the ease of escape...
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So much easier than the good old days of having to pedal your bike or push your skateboard. I have even seen anecdotal evidence that they are dumbing down shopping isles to make it easier to ride an ebike through them.
 
pink poodle said:
So much easier than the good old days of having to pedal your bike or push your skateboard. I have even seen anecdotal evidence that they are dumbing down shopping isles to make it easier to ride an ebike through them.
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If we're widening supermarket aisles so little chunts can wheelie down them.... things have gone a bit far...

If we are in the canned soup aisle at the time...
 
You'll have to trust me on this, but riding your exercise tool of choice in a shopping centre is more fun in real life than it is on tony hawk pro skater.
 
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