Electric Vehicles etc

[beeb]

Got the big range anxiety test this Friday, 270km of highway to Melrose with a loaded car.
There's a load of chargers planned to go in on the main road but not built as yet.
Reckon she's going to zap it with a DC charger at a Northern suburbs shopping centre about 50km from the home to reduce the jump from 270km to 220km for the first trip to see how the car goes loaded.

Very interested to hear more about these long-range trips @ozzybmx. I've got roughly a 66km round trip to work these days (though still less time in the car than only about 10km round trip in Melbourne, lol) so am a lot more interested in real-world freeway EV driving which most of the reviews seem to gloss over and just label as "reduced" without any description of by how much...

 

[ozzybmx]

Atto 3 standard - Driving range: 320km (WLTP) 400km (NEDC) 50kw

Atto 3 extended - Driving range: 420 (WLTP) 480 (NEDC) 60kw


There's a lot of bullshit and whinging about the range of EV's due to a magnitude of differences in weather, roads, speeds, load etc... we decided on the standard range going on the 320km range and that the car would rarely leave the city. There are also several charging stations going in on the main highway that aren't finished yet or haven't been started.

She uses the plugshare app and it tells you where they all are and gives a review on the state of them by the last user.

How does the WLTP differ from the NEDC?

The WLTP driving cycle is longer and closer to actual driving conditions than the NEDC, which has led to several significant changes. Essentially, the WLTP standards are a more accurate representation of consumption and emissions in daily usage, because they take into account the type of vehicle, equipment and options. The same model of a vehicle can therefore have several different values, unlike the single result given by the NEDC standards.

 

[ozzybmx]

Very interested to hear more about these long-range trips @ozzybmx. I've got roughly a 66km round trip to work these days (though still less time in the car than only about 10km round trip in Melbourne, lol) so am a lot more interested in real-world freeway EV driving which most of the reviews seem to gloss over and just label as "reduced" without any description of by how much...

We'll find out on Friday

Occasionally on a weekend nightshift I have driven err car to work.

Cost with my 50% electricity discount is about 17c per kw to charge her car, and it uses about 10-11kw for me to do the 70km round trip. We live at 310m and the first 5km, the car regens itself by 2%... obviously this is sucked back up with the climb home in the morning.

Cost to drive the round trip in her Atto is $1.70, call it 2 bucks. Cost to drive my Landcruiser at 12.5l/100 is about $20. Big difference.

 

[Scotty T]

Cost to drive the round trip in her Atto is $1.70, call it 2 bucks. Cost to drive my Landcruiser at 12.5l/100 is about $20. Big difference.

It would be a whole $2.50 for us plebs who don't get discounted watts.

 

[beeb]

Atto 3 standard - Driving range: 320km (WLTP) 400km (NEDC) 50kw

Atto 3 extended - Driving range: 420 (WLTP) 480 (NEDC) 60kw


There's a lot of bullshit and whinging about the range of EV's due to a magnitude of differences in weather, roads, speeds, load etc... we decided on the standard range going on the 320km range and that the car would rarely leave the city. There are also several charging stations going in on the main highway that aren't finished yet or haven't been started.

I think the tricky thing for me is that about 4/5ths of my drive is at 100km/h - and definitely in an area where the A/C in summer and heating in winter will be getting a bit of a workout. It sounds like in these type of long time at 100km/h scenarios (no regen braking, lots of wind resistance) might come up quite a bit short than even the WLTP ranges in the real world.

 

[ozzybmx]

It would be a whole $2.50 for us plebs who don't get discounted watts.

Last year there were no EV's in the carpark, right now there is 2 x Attos, 4 x Model 3, 1 x Model Y, 1 x Kia and 1 x MG.

Just need them to put in free carpark chargers and it will be cost zero.

 

[Chriso_29er]

We have a standard range Atto3 and it's average is 14.2kw per 100km. Which would be about right for city driving. It's got a 50kw battery and going on the expected range of 320-340km.

Got the big range anxiety test this Friday, 270km of highway to Melrose with a loaded car.
There's a load of chargers planned to go in on the main road but not built as yet.
Reckon she's going to zap it with a DC charger at a Northern suburbs shopping centre about 50km from the home to reduce the jump from 270km to 220km for the first trip to see how the car goes loaded.

Haven't loaded the iX3 up yet, but did a larger hwy trip the other weekend. First time cruising for an extended period at 115km/h. Didn't like that much having the aero of a brick and averaged 18kwh/100 for the trip. It got much better for other 100km/h trips.

Has just ticked over 3000km now, think it has finally converted me. And also my brother, who has just put an order in for one!

 

[ozzybmx]

I think the tricky thing for me is that about 4/5ths of my drive is at 100km/h - and definitely in an area where the A/C in summer and heating in winter will be getting a bit of a workout. It sounds like in these type of long time at 100km/h scenarios (no regen braking, lots of wind resistance) might come up quite a bit short than even the WLTP ranges in the real world.

Definitely, the stop start and braking in the city regens the battery and at slow speeds.

My trip has 10km in each direction of 90kph freeway, I haven't paid much attention to the additional battery usage but it will be a lot more at higher speeds.

 

[ozzybmx]

Haven't loaded the iX3 up yet, but did a larger hwy trip the other weekend. First time cruising for an extended period at 115km/h. Didn't like that much having the aero of a brick and averaged 18kwh/100 for the trip. It got much better for other 100km/h trips.

Has just ticked over 3000km now, think it has finally converted me. And also my brother, who has just put an order in for one!

I'm not converted yet as I have to haul a tandem trailer with a loaded shuttle rack on the front but for city driving its awesome. Maybe in the future... a big fuck off ute or 4WD with 1000km range

Dunno how the Atto would go with this on the back, with 2 eebs and 3 bikes on the rack and 2 more in the trailer + firewood, it would probably tear the tow bar off when hitching it up.

 

[downunderdallas]

I think the tricky thing for me is that about 4/5ths of my drive is at 100km/h - and definitely in an area where the A/C in summer and heating in winter will be getting a bit of a workout. It sounds like in these type of long time at 100km/h scenarios (no regen braking, lots of wind resistance) might come up quite a bit short than even the WLTP ranges in the real world.

You are highly unlikely to get WLTP range in almost any car doing 100km/h if you get a draft behind a truck you will The no regen is no big deal as regen is just not losing all the braking loss doing a steady speed is always more efficient than braking and speeding up no matter what car. Around 90km/h I think is a reasonable balance between efficiency and speed. 110-120 and you are really starting to pay some efficiency penalties - made much worse if like me you are usually driving with a bike on the back!

 

[beeb]

You are highly unlikely to get WLTP range in almost any car doing 100km/h if you get a draft behind a truck you will The no regen is no big deal as regen is just not losing all the braking loss doing a steady speed is always more efficient than braking and speeding up no matter what car. Around 90km/h I think is a reasonable balance between efficiency and speed. 110-120 and you are really starting to pay some efficiency penalties - made much worse if like me you are usually driving with a bike on the back!

I wouldn't drive around here at 90km/h. While there is a few overtaking lanes each way, otherwise it's a single lane in each direction and enough traffic to make overtaking difficult so I wouldn't want to be that one twat holding up dozens of cars just because I want to improve my efficiency a couple of %. And generally speaking even just following the speed limit outside of town is about as warmly received as being a road cyclist, so doing 90km/h would be asking for some very aggressive drivers behind you too.

 

[dancaseyimages]

Apteras are supposed to be pretty good at 100km speeds.
Vehicle | Aptera
Aptera unveils three-wheeled solar electric car that "requires no charging" (dezeen.com)

 

[beeb]

Apteras are supposed to be pretty good at 100km speeds.
Vehicle | Aptera
Aptera unveils three-wheeled solar electric car that "requires no charging" (dezeen.com)

I actually reckon those type of vehicles would make a lot of sense for our usage/prevailing climate.

[EDIT] Ooh, I can even by a Hatch hutch and pretend it's a modern-day Torana!

 

[Cardy George]

I wouldn't drive around here at 90km/h. While there is a few overtaking lanes each way, otherwise it's a single lane in each direction and enough traffic to make overtaking difficult so I wouldn't want to be that one twat holding up dozens of cars just because I want to improve my efficiency a couple of %. And generally speaking even just following the speed limit outside of town is about as warmly received as being a road cyclist, so doing 90km/h would be asking for some very aggressive drivers behind you too.

And for no explicable reason around your joint they put fences down the centres of a straight flat roads so no one can overtake.

 

[Cardy George]

I'm not converted yet as I have to haul a tandem trailer with a loaded shuttle rack on the front but for city driving its awesome. Maybe in the future... a big fuck off ute or 4WD with 1000km range

Dunno how the Atto would go with this on the back, with 2 eebs and 3 bikes on the rack and 2 more in the trailer + firewood, it would probably tear the tow bar off when hitching it up.

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@Haakon When did you move to Adelaide?

 

[Cardy George]

There has been decades of deliberate de-investment...

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In the northwest, the majority of those lines are still there. Bit of a tizzy-up and the network is back.

 

[fjohn860]

And for no explicable reason around your joint they put fences down the centres of a straight flat roads so no one can overtake.

I mean I kind of get this, what with drowsy drivers/distracted drivers.

The ones that shit me is where they put an overtaking lane in for one direction, but now coming the other way you lose that overtaking opportunity. There is a few of these on a winding road near my parents place. Inevitably I always catch one of those fuckwits who do 80 around every corner but then speed up to 110 on the couple of short overtaking spots left. Chunty chunts

 

[silentbutdeadly]

Apteras are supposed to be pretty good at 100km speeds.
Vehicle | Aptera
Aptera unveils three-wheeled solar electric car that "requires no charging" (dezeen.com)

They've got to make them first...

 

[dancaseyimages]

They've got to make them first...

These guys drove one almost a year ago now

Fully Charged Checks Out Aptera, Drives The Three-Wheeler Solar EV

This is a detailed look inside the Aptera factory, as well as its promising Sun-powered three-wheeler.

insideevs.com

From what I have heard is that the Australian ones are expected around December for those that have put money down. (A friend has put money down its only a small deposit but for a couple this could be a great little run around, especially if you live in an Apartment with some body corporates refusing to start the conversation at the moment regarding powerpoints for everyones car spaces.)
A few things to note, they fall under the motorcycle category hence a little less impact testing compared to a car, but given that should make them pretty light and easy to repair.

 

[silentbutdeadly]

QUOTE="dancaseyimages, post: 3546731, member: 96050"]
These guys drove one almost a year ago now

Fully Charged Checks Out Aptera, Drives The Three-Wheeler Solar EV

This is a detailed look inside the Aptera factory, as well as its promising Sun-powered three-wheeler.

insideevs.com

From what I have heard is that the Australian ones are expected around December for those that have put money down.
A few things to note, they fall under the motorcycle category hence a little less impact testing compared to a car, but given that should make them pretty light and easy to repair.
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The first run is of just 1,000 units and they appear to have quite a few slots left. They can't make more at scale because they don't have production capacity or the money to create it. Plus they've only just sorted out the first lot of tooling. There's no way they'll be delivering vehicles this year...

...and there's no way it'll be able to be sold here without demonstrating Australian Design Rule compliance, the lack of which has nixed a lot of otherwise good cars and motorcycles from our market recently. If we see the Aptera before 2026 I will be shocked.