Electric Vehicles etc

Scotty T

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Stredda said:
He was just having a dig at Tesla due to his stance on the right to repair. He does actually own a normal electric Tesla and this one was a flooded write off, but feels that it is not a good outcome for the community when you can't repair certain components on a Tesla vehicle. Tesla will not sell you a battery pack or motor unit, they just want you to buy and new car or send it back to them for a very expensive replacement.
I'm all for electric cars and love Tesla's technology but making it difficult to repair their products is something I also don't agree with.
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That makes more sense then. Would Toyota sell a new Prius battery pack, or Porsche a Taycan pack, to an everyday person (especially someone who bought a write off), or just through a dealer or qualified mechanic who would install it? I believe it's the latter but can't find anything to solidly back that up. I think replacing traction batteries is a bit different in that they can quite easily kill you just by touching the wrong bits with something conductive.
 
Stredda

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Scotty T said:
That makes more sense then. Would Toyota sell a new Prius battery pack, or Porsche a Taycan pack, to an everyday person (especially someone who bought a write off), or just through a dealer or qualified mechanic who would install it? I believe it's the latter but can't find anything to solidly back that up. I think replacing traction batteries is a bit different in that they can quite easily kill you just by touching the wrong bits with something conductive.
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You're probably right, but Tesla won't even sell many key components to any business outside their own service center network. He had an example of a person that had damaged the cooling inlet pipe to the battery pack (something to which Tesla has since made more protected). Tesla wanted to replace the whole battery pack for 3/4 the cost of the cars worth and would not sell the parts to repair it. The EV repair automotive company that Rich Rebuilds is associated with fixed it for $700.
The same goes for Teslas there are out of warranty, you are on you own when you want to replace the battery or motor and so forth, it's just not cost effective.
It just perpetuates the throwaway society, where you are encouraged to just buy an new one, rather than keep the one you have going, which is a much more environmentally friendly way of going about it.
I'm not saying that Tesla is the only one here, far from it. It's just that Tesla is a lot more restrictive that many others.
 
Haakon

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Stredda said:
He was just having a dig at Tesla due to his stance on the right to repair. He does actually own a normal electric Tesla and this one was a flooded write off, but feels that it is not a good outcome for the community when you can't repair certain components on a Tesla vehicle. Tesla will not sell you a battery pack or motor unit, they just want you to buy and new car or send it back to them for a very expensive replacement.
I'm all for electric cars and love Tesla's technology but making it difficult to repair their products is something I also don't agree with.
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I've been watching Rich Rebuilds since he did Delores in his garage. I agree that Tesla is not being very sporting with its "control" on parts and service info... But third party workshops (such as the Electrified Garage Rich invested in) are coming to help consumers with out of warranty cars :)
 
Stredda

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Haakon said:
I've been watching Rich Rebuilds since he did Delores in his garage. I agree that Tesla is not being very sporting with its "control" on parts and service info... But third party workshops (such as the Electrified Garage Rich invested in) are coming to help consumers with out of warranty cars :)
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Yes, Rich is a typical Youtuber and needs to get clicks so he's a bit biased but Tesla is very protective of anyone else working on their cars.
 
Scotty T

Scotty T

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Stredda said:
Yes, Rich is a typical Youtuber and needs to get clicks so he's a bit biased but Tesla is very protective of anyone else working on their cars.
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Telsa is changing their closed shop stuff with charging, hopefully they can make it easier for repairers to participate.

I used to like Samsung phones because you could replace the battery, now there are no phones I know of where you can just click the back off and stick in a new battery. The throwaway society is a huge problem across the board but sadly it's how companies can sustain their record profits in the modern world.
 
beeb

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Scotty T said:
I used to like Samsung phones because you could replace the battery, now there are no phones I know of where you can just click the back off and stick in a new battery. The throwaway society is a huge problem across the board but sadly it's how companies can sustain their record profits in the modern world.
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That's also because it's hard to make a waterproof phone with removable cover. Batteries are often still replaceable on many models, just a bit more of a convoluted process. Playing devils advocate, I'd say that's more sustainable than all the phone that used to die from moisture ingress & short circuiting.
 
Haakon

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Stredda said:
Yes, Rich is a typical Youtuber and needs to get clicks so he's a bit biased but Tesla is very protective of anyone else working on their cars.
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Its a big deal in the US, Apple is another prime offender. But all the big tech and car companies do to some extent. Right to Repair is gaining traction though I think.

I get it from the Tesla/Apple/etc viewpoint, its just less brain damage and there are fewer sketchy rebuilds on the road being annoying. And to be fair Tesla recycles their packs so its not "throwaway" as such. But still...

When I get my Model 3 and something goes awry, I'd like at least the option of having a crack at it myself and being able to buy the bits. No one expect the warranty to be retained on third party repairs.
 
Scotty T

Scotty T

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beeb said:
That's also because it's hard to make a waterproof phone with removable cover. Batteries are often still replaceable on many models, just a bit more of a convoluted process. Playing devils advocate, I'd say that's more sustainable than all the phone that used to die from moisture ingress & short circuiting.
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I've never had this happen. My S1 is still in tip-top condition! But yeah makes sense. Even though I still have a couple of years old Samsung that isn't waterproof.
 
beeb

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Scotty T said:
I've never had this happen. My S1 is still in tip-top condition! But yeah makes sense. Even though I still have a couple of years old Samsung that isn't waterproof.
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I've not had it happen either, but know people that have killed a bunch of phone because of it (I think you're either a phone killer or you're not...).

I do like not having to be too precious/cautious with the phone on a drizzly/showery day nowadays though.
 
PJO

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beeb said:
That's also because it's hard to make a waterproof phone with removable cover. Batteries are often still replaceable on many models, just a bit more of a convoluted process. Playing devils advocate, I'd say that's more sustainable than all the phone that used to die from moisture ingress & short circuiting.
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Yeah, but once you open up a waterproof phone it is no longer waterproof.
Can't see why phone manufacturers couldn't make a waterproof phone with a user replaceable battery, that's not something so difficult.
They just don't want to for the other reasons already stated...
 
beeb

beeb

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PJO said:
Yeah, but once you open up a waterproof phone it is no longer waterproof.
Can't see why phone manufacturers couldn't make a waterproof phone with a user replaceable battery, that's not something so difficult.
They just don't want to for the other reasons already stated...
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The battery replacement kits I’ve seen have had new seals/sealant as required. Done carefully I believe they’d still be reasonably waterproof, or at a minimum water resistant (ie: just don’t submerge the feckin thing…)
 
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rangersac

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PJO said:
Yeah, but once you open up a waterproof phone it is no longer waterproof.
Can't see why phone manufacturers couldn't make a waterproof phone with a user replaceable battery, that's not something so difficult.
They just don't want to for the other reasons already stated...
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Any number of appliances have replaceable batteries and are waterproof, e.g GPS units, VHF radios, head torches, bike lights. Mobile phone companies are just chunts
 
dancaseyimages

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I do admittedly like the Tesla for one of their 'open source' technologies, we did the touchless test drive in Canberra and with the car being able to be remotely controlled was cool. Signing the waiver on the pad and just holding your licence up to the outside camera was enough for it to be on a PDF on the cars tablet within a minute. I did like that and having someone on the call watching the speeds, how you accelerated and the features that you were seeing were explained as you were going such as that radar package.
For those with kids, it means you could set alerts and limits within the config, or even drop into phone calls.
I know Penten in Canberra is currently looking at how to make these more secure so that people with sensitive data aren't picked up travelling to parli house etc. saying some untoward things.

The other thing that I thought was interesting was a company called Autoblow that got the tick of approval from Elon a few years ago when I was in LA, massive billboard with a Tesla on it and you can guess with all the ads for appendages what this device is for, was apparently very popular according to the Uber driver dropping me at the Observatory.
 
Calvin27

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Scotty T said:
The throwaway society is a huge problem across the board but sadly it's how companies can sustain their record profits in the modern world.
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I wonder how this gels with euro disassembly laws. Seems to circumvent these rules that are designed to repair etc.
 
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dancaseyimages said:
The other thing that I thought was interesting was a company called Autoblow that got the tick of approval from Elon a few years ago when I was in LA, massive billboard with a Tesla on it and you can guess with all the ads for appendages what this device is for, was apparently very popular according to the Uber driver dropping me at the Observatory.
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