COVID-19: who’s going full doomsday prep on this?
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I am firmly with duck and johnny on this, just because your dose of covid was mild and you have had worse hangovers doesn't make covid a nothing virus. I was staying with family on the weekend and while they are not antivax they were definitely in the anti this vax camp. Up until now I have just avoided saying much because it wasn't worth it. They do get their news and information from the likes of ACA, Sky and fuckheadbook.
We were talking general shit and somehow the covid vaccine came up with the comment that they didn't believe in it because there are too many side effects because it was rushed through. I decided it was time to have a chat. So I said how long do you think it should have taken? Ah at least 10 years, maybe 20 years. So are you unaware that the basic corona virus research has been ongoing for longer than that and that the covid19 vaccine was an extension of that existing research? Then I copped what about the people who have brain damage and coronary problems from the vaccine? Is that real? Because if it was there would be more in mainstream media and not just the feeds you follow. And it may be real and just because I do not know of any such cases doesn't mean that it is not real but where is the reporting in something credible? You know that something like 10,000,000 people in the USA died from covid? Then I got how come you can still get covid even if you are vaccinated but you can't get TB or other diseases? Because they aren't the same, the covid vaccine was always aimed at reducing the effect on the patient and relieving pressure on the hospitals and as a virus it is constantly mutating. Mostly because dumbfucks are refusing to get the vaccine to help kill off the virus. Also are you saying that the time it took to develop vaccines for smallpox and polio etc are the gold standard and that we should be using the same clinical techniques to prove modern medicines? Do you understand how far medical science has progressed even in the last 10 years? There was no computer modelling, no accelerated testing back in the 50s and 60s and the the years that it took for results can now be done in minutes? Fuck me. I hit them with you guys left highschool at 15, you didn't do anything further and you think that a few posts on arsebook from similar people are more important and more factual than the published peer reviewed data from hundreds if not thousands of scientists and medical professionals who have spent their lives doing this work and specialising in fields that may not have even occurred in real life? I then said you can decide for yourself what you do, that is part of being an adult and making choices but the moment you as an uninformed and uneducated person start making recommendations to others you are well out of your league and should shut the fuck up and let others make their decisions and choices based on their own situations. You do not know more than a few thousand research scientists regardless of how much empathy you have for some weirdo on the book of shitstains.
We had a break. It will never be spoken of again.
We were talking general shit and somehow the covid vaccine came up with the comment that they didn't believe in it because there are too many side effects because it was rushed through. I decided it was time to have a chat. So I said how long do you think it should have taken? Ah at least 10 years, maybe 20 years. So are you unaware that the basic corona virus research has been ongoing for longer than that and that the covid19 vaccine was an extension of that existing research? Then I copped what about the people who have brain damage and coronary problems from the vaccine? Is that real? Because if it was there would be more in mainstream media and not just the feeds you follow. And it may be real and just because I do not know of any such cases doesn't mean that it is not real but where is the reporting in something credible? You know that something like 10,000,000 people in the USA died from covid? Then I got how come you can still get covid even if you are vaccinated but you can't get TB or other diseases? Because they aren't the same, the covid vaccine was always aimed at reducing the effect on the patient and relieving pressure on the hospitals and as a virus it is constantly mutating. Mostly because dumbfucks are refusing to get the vaccine to help kill off the virus. Also are you saying that the time it took to develop vaccines for smallpox and polio etc are the gold standard and that we should be using the same clinical techniques to prove modern medicines? Do you understand how far medical science has progressed even in the last 10 years? There was no computer modelling, no accelerated testing back in the 50s and 60s and the the years that it took for results can now be done in minutes? Fuck me. I hit them with you guys left highschool at 15, you didn't do anything further and you think that a few posts on arsebook from similar people are more important and more factual than the published peer reviewed data from hundreds if not thousands of scientists and medical professionals who have spent their lives doing this work and specialising in fields that may not have even occurred in real life? I then said you can decide for yourself what you do, that is part of being an adult and making choices but the moment you as an uninformed and uneducated person start making recommendations to others you are well out of your league and should shut the fuck up and let others make their decisions and choices based on their own situations. You do not know more than a few thousand research scientists regardless of how much empathy you have for some weirdo on the book of shitstains.
We had a break. It will never be spoken of again.
Squidfayce
Lives under a bridge
the disappointing thing is is that there are also educated people in the relevant fields talking smack about it. They are in a minority, but they are out there. Much of what these people say can sound reasonable and sensible without context and challenge. They have been actively censored, but that censorship has added much fuel to the fire. Rather than allowing those people to talk and be systematically and publicly debunked by their peers, their censorship has pushed them to channels that are poorly monitored or not censored (ie joe rogen podcasts, face book etc.) that have HUGE reach. People who subscribe to those channels are likley not going to have exposure to the debunking as much as if those voices had had an opportunity to discuss their views through normal channels. It also doesn't help that you have people like Fauchi that have been on the right side of the message, but then caught out looking shady on shit like gain of function.
beeb
Dr. Beebenson, PhD HA, ST, Offset (hons)
I always like this lyric from Hilltop Hood's "Walk On", I thought it sums up the average Australian's critical thinking abilities pretty well:
Full lyrics:
https://genius.com/Hilltop-hoods-walk-on-lyrics
PJO
in me vL comy
I have had a very similar conversation with my olds about 6 months ago, and it ended the same way, we do not discuss this anymore.
They are the same, they've had every other vaccination under the sun but they won't have this vaccination. My mother even got a whooping cough jab fairly recently (just prior to COVID hitting) so she could go and visit her newest grandson.
So far they have managed to avoid the virus as far as I know, they probably wouldn't tell me or go and have a test if they did get it so who knows really.
Squidfayce
Lives under a bridge
These two are grey nomads for much of the year and early on I said getting covid while in a caravan would be very unpleasant. Earlier this year they got covid while travelling but had a really mild dose and were camped up at their daughter's property so could easily isolate and had access to food and drink as needed. They were still miserable and suffered but now that is a forgotten memory.
Labcanary
Sentinel species
It's a bummer you had to have that chat, @Dales Cannon, but good on you for doing so.
As for "rushed through". It was fast tracked, not rushed. Vaccine developers allowed it to jump the bureaucratic queue because of the whole pandemic thing.
Admittedly I was a bit concerned about getting AZ, but ultimately it was all that was available despite the recommendation being for older people. They gave me a fact sheet with symptoms to watch for. And whilst I had a shit reaction to it, it wasn't a life threatening reaction.
Same with now. The recommendation is for older people to get 4th dose, but younger people can still get it if they want. Yes please, I'll take it.
I have never expected the vaccine to stop infection, rather reduce the severity of it if I get infected. Much like the 'flu vax.
This argument really shits me. All vaccines have possible side effects, some of them are common and some rare. They will usually give you the rundown before they inject you.
As for "rushed through". It was fast tracked, not rushed. Vaccine developers allowed it to jump the bureaucratic queue because of the whole pandemic thing.
Admittedly I was a bit concerned about getting AZ, but ultimately it was all that was available despite the recommendation being for older people. They gave me a fact sheet with symptoms to watch for. And whilst I had a shit reaction to it, it wasn't a life threatening reaction.
Same with now. The recommendation is for older people to get 4th dose, but younger people can still get it if they want. Yes please, I'll take it.
I have never expected the vaccine to stop infection, rather reduce the severity of it if I get infected. Much like the 'flu vax.
PJO
in me vL comy
Like I said it is not discussed anymore so I wouldn't know if they would or wouldn't test, I suspect they would only if they were forced to.
They accept that the virus exists but they think it isn't much more something like influenza. There is no rational argument that can penetrate their thinking, apparently even their own son has somehow been hoodwinked!
The Duckmeister
Has stumpy thumbs, Speciaized are so weird
Reckon my old mate Epstein-Barr has decided to stick its boot in, absolutely zonked after work today, and didn't feel anything like that through the past week.
bear the bear
Is a real bear
Are you out of iso already @The Duckmeister?
As noted, watch out for the other things that pop up... (3+ weeks with a mucus cough that no one is saying they have)
The Duckmeister
Has stumpy thumbs, Speciaized are so weird
Yep, out as of yesterday. Throat is still a bit itchy, but almost back to the normal level of irritation that goes with working in composites. Coughing up a bit of lung goo, but again with the composites thing, it's almost normal. I will confess that in the interest of not going batshit crazy I got slightly naughty & isolated away from home for parts of the last couple of days, however didn't get the fatigue & loss of appetite that are kicking now, which are both classic E-B symptoms. I've had that little bastard long enough to know when its rearing its ugly head.
PS: for anyone wondering, Epstein-Barr is the virus behind Glandular Fever and Chronic Fatigue. It's one of those little delights that you have for life once you've got it. It attacks the immune system, so if its attention is focused elsewhere, E-B can seize the chance to flare up & make you feel pretty fucking rough & plain bloody knackered for a while.
PS: for anyone wondering, Epstein-Barr is the virus behind Glandular Fever and Chronic Fatigue. It's one of those little delights that you have for life once you've got it. It attacks the immune system, so if its attention is focused elsewhere, E-B can seize the chance to flare up & make you feel pretty fucking rough & plain bloody knackered for a while.
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pink poodle
aka stickchops
I was quite lethargic for a few weeks after my dose of it, where I wasn't sick. I figure that sitting around at home all walking up and down the stairs doesn't ale as much physical stamina as regular life.
bear the bear
Is a real bear
Loss of appitite (3kgs in a week).. which has come back over the last 2 weeks, so nothing gained
