Brose motors

link1896

Mr Greenfield
I’ve had a brose mag s apart. Less then 10 hours use on the motor, as the bike was attacked by a metal bar and the frame is trashed.


No wonder these motors don’t last. Hmm.

Uses a 15mm wide, 5mm pitch High Torque Drive (HDT) profile belt. From a google most of the big belt manufacturers makes there super high power Carbon Fibre belts in 8mm pitch at the smallest. So this is a custom belt with Brose’s ID printed on the smooth face that I can just see.

Uses 6807 bearing that’s actually not a 35x47x7 but a 34x47x7 just to fuck with everyone. The rest of the bearings and one way sprag clutches are generic.

The lack of sealing from dust and water is astounding. Did someone miss the “it’s a mountain bike stupid” part of the conversation.

Whoever wrote the cnc code needs a good hard look at themselves; the cutter has started or stopped spinning on the sealing faces. Doesn’t matter, they used a paper gasket anyway.


The machining process after the housing has been cast is on the piss, the spindle is 0.4mm off centre where it exits the housing. This means the bearing seats are all off too. Wall thicknesses are pretty thin to achieve low mass, so this is less then ideal.

The brushless three wire motor uses plastic planetary gears. But pretty much bone dry already for 10 hours of use. The small drive cog is plastic!

The sun gears do have bearings though.


Many mods and improvements possible.





 

Oddjob

Merry fucking Xmas to you assholes
I’ve had a brose mag s apart. Less then 10 hours use on the motor, as the bike was attacked by a metal bar and the frame is trashed.


No wonder these motors don’t last. Hmm.

Uses a 15mm wide, 5mm pitch High Torque Drive (HDT) profile belt. From a google most of the big belt manufacturers makes there super high power Carbon Fibre belts in 8mm pitch at the smallest. So this is a custom belt with Brose’s ID printed on the smooth face that I can just see.

Uses 6807 bearing that’s actually not a 35x47x7 but a 34x47x7 just to fuck with everyone. The rest of the bearings and one way sprag clutches are generic.

The lack of sealing from dust and water is astounding. Did someone miss the “it’s a mountain bike stupid” part of the conversation.

Whoever wrote the cnc code needs a good hard look at themselves; the cutter has started or stopped spinning on the sealing faces. Doesn’t matter, they used a paper gasket anyway.


The machining process after the housing has been cast is on the piss, the spindle is 0.4mm off centre where it exits the housing. This means the bearing seats are all off too. Wall thicknesses are pretty thin to achieve low mass, so this is less then ideal.

The brushless three wire motor uses plastic planetary gears. But pretty much bone dry already for 10 hours of use. The small drive cog is plastic!

The sun gears do have bearings though.


Many mods and improvements possible.





Is that from a Specialised? Have you had a look at the Shimano, Bosch and Yamaha motors to compare?

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link1896

Mr Greenfield
Yea this is from a Specialized.

Haven’t yet had the fun of venturing inside to this degree yet with any others, but sure do plan on it.


From how they ride, the Specialized Brose is the best compared to Bosch and Shimano by a slim margin. Haven’t ridden a Giant with a Yamaha motor yet. But reliability is bad for Brose. And I can see why. All addressable though. Treating $1200 motors as disposable is disgraceful. I’ve spoken to owners who are onto their 7th motor inside their 2 year warranty period.
 

Mattyp

Cows go boing
Yea this is from a Specialized.

Haven’t yet had the fun of venturing inside to this degree yet with any others, but sure do plan on it.


From how they ride, the Specialized Brose is the best compared to Bosch and Shimano by a slim margin. Haven’t ridden a Giant with a Yamaha motor yet. But reliability is bad for Brose. And I can see why. All addressable though. Treating $1200 motors as disposable is disgraceful. I’ve spoken to owners who are onto their 7th motor inside their 2 year warranty period.
Wow, they must be cheap to manufacture if they're giving that many away. Although it's probably been factored into the $24,000 price tag
 

Squidfayce

Eats Squid
Yea this is from a Specialized.

Haven’t yet had the fun of venturing inside to this degree yet with any others, but sure do plan on it.


From how they ride, the Specialized Brose is the best compared to Bosch and Shimano by a slim margin. Haven’t ridden a Giant with a Yamaha motor yet. But reliability is bad for Brose. And I can see why. All addressable though. Treating $1200 motors as disposable is disgraceful. I’ve spoken to owners who are onto their 7th motor inside their 2 year warranty period.
yeah every specialized e I see for sale quotes "new motor" and for a second i think "hey that looks good, its got a new motor", then i start wondering why they all have new motors....
 

fatboyonabike

Captain oblivious
I have said this in previous threads, BigS Ebikes are for light weight whippets, as their motors have a lower max load rating than other manufactures, Giant has the highest I think, with a max load (bike+rider) of about 156kg from memory...
How many bike shops or dealers actually pass on this info.....none!
 

link1896

Mr Greenfield
I have said this in previous threads, BigS Ebikes are for light weight whippets, as their motors have a lower max load rating than other manufactures, Giant has the highest I think, with a max load (bike+rider) of about 156kg from memory...
How many bike shops or dealers actually pass on this info.....none!
Yep. About to pull the brushless motors planetary gears apart. Made of NYLON.
 

fatboyonabike

Captain oblivious
Yep. About to pull the brushless motors planetary gears apart. Made of NYLON.
A lot of domestic marketed commercial catering equipment uses nylon gears as part of their "overload protection"...anyone can replace a fuse if they give it too many puppies and start to push things past design limits, but pulling down the gearbox and replacing sheared cogs is usually well past the average home handyman!...those wanky coloured Kitchen Aid mixers are the first thing that springs to mind
 

shiny

Go-go-gadget-wrist-thingy
Their warranty is dang good for broken motors. My brother has one and it went blllppt. Called bike shop and they collected the bike that morning from his house and replaced the motor and it was ready to go that afternoon. No if’s or buts. Just fixed. Still e bike. Ewww. :p
 

fatboyonabike

Captain oblivious
Their warranty is dang good for broken motors. My brother has one and it went blllppt. Called bike shop and they collected the bike that morning from his house and replaced the motor and it was ready to go that afternoon. No if’s or buts. Just fixed. Still e bike. Ewww. :p
Is this Specialized you are referring to?....bit of a worry, no if or buts!, it's like they knew what was going to happen and what part needed to be replaced!
 

The Dude

Wasn't asking to be banned
Their warranty is dang good for broken motors. No if’s or buts. Just fixed. Still e bike. Ewww. :p
And what happens when it's out of warranty?
Trust The Big-S (name withheld due to potential defamation action) to bring us the disposable e-bike
 

link1896

Mr Greenfield
A lot of domestic marketed commercial catering equipment uses nylon gears as part of their "overload protection"...anyone can replace a fuse if they give it too many puppies and start to push things past design limits, but pulling down the gearbox and replacing sheared cogs is usually well past the average home handyman!...those wanky coloured Kitchen Aid mixers are the first thing that springs to mind
And to reduce noise and cost.


What feels like a lifetime ago now, I was looking after almost every film projector in Vic and tas.
Belts, single row deep groove bearings and some 90 degree mitre helical cogs in all of the last two generations of equipment, but the stuff from the 50s to mid 80’s was all wet gearbox spur and helical gears. The old stuff just went and went and went. Was one phenolic gear in there for safety, rest was steel on steel or bronze. Pumped tellus 46 with old fashioned drippers. 6mm cooper pipe with small holes and brazed on copper wire to aim the flow of the drips to a hole in the housing for a pressed in journal bearing with spiral cut lubrication paths.

The newer stuff was a constant maintenance hog. The Italian band, Cinemeccanica, had a mitre helical gear pair to turn 90 degrees. Their solution, that they stuck with for almost 20 years, until my boss and I grew embarrassed, was nylon mitre gears that was greased. 2880 rpm. Grease hung to the gears for 20 seconds. They lasted on average about 16 months.

We replaced the gear set and loaded with oil, added a breather tube to allow for thermal expansion. Lasted years then. Would still be going today if it wasn’t all decommissioned for digital.
 

fatboyonabike

Captain oblivious
And to reduce noise and cost.


What feels like a lifetime ago now, I was looking after almost every film projector in Vic and tas.
Belts, single row deep groove bearings and some 90 degree mitre helical cogs in all of the last two generations of equipment, but the stuff from the 50s to mid 80’s was all wet gearbox spur and helical gears. The old stuff just went and went and went. Was one phenolic gear in there for safety, rest was steel on steel or bronze. Pumped tellus 46 with old fashioned drippers. 6mm cooper pipe with small holes and brazed on copper wire to aim the flow of the drips to a hole in the housing for a pressed in journal bearing with spiral cut lubrication paths.

The newer stuff was a constant maintenance hog. The Italian band, Cinemeccanica, had a mitre helical gear pair to turn 90 degrees. Their solution, that they stuck with for almost 20 years, until my boss and I grew embarrassed, was nylon mitre gears that was greased. 2880 rpm. Grease hung to the gears for 20 seconds. They lasted on average about 16 months.

We replaced the gear set and loaded with oil, added a breather tube to allow for thermal expansion. Lasted years then. Would still be going today if it wasn’t all decommissioned for digital.
Aahhh Italy....the China of Europe!....points for trying, not not big on reliability!
 
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