Banshee Gravel bike!

ForkinGreat

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Well, it's an anomaly... A Banshee anomaly.
(from Banshee's FB page)

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@Stredda it's worth having a look at a few setups from Unbound or similar gravel events. They do some weird and wonderful stuff in the pursuit of speed at those big gravel races
 
@Stredda it's worth having a look at a few setups from Unbound or similar gravel events. They do some weird and wonderful stuff in the pursuit of speed at those big gravel races
I haven't seen anyone at Unbound, but I have seen Dylan Johnson and Keegan Swenson have drop bars at the Leadville 100, which traditionally was a MTB race but because a large part is either paved or decent gravel, that gravel bikes have taken over. So, it's a small rough section that is pretty sketchy on a gravel bike where they guys have been experimenting with drop bars on mountain bikes.
I have a feeling it's not as simple as just swapping bars, as I would think that you would need to play with drop bar width/sweep, stem lengths and stack heights to get the fit right.
 
I haven't seen anyone at Unbound, but I have seen Dylan Johnson and Keegan Swenson have drop bars at the Leadville 100, which traditionally was a MTB race but because a large part is either paved or decent gravel, that gravel bikes have taken over. So, it's a small rough section that is pretty sketchy on a gravel bike where they guys have been experimenting with drop bars on mountain bikes.
I have a feeling it's not as simple as just swapping bars, as I would think that you would need to play with drop bar width/sweep, stem lengths and stack heights to get the fit right.

Yeah this.

The reach on a frame designed for drop bars is generally shorter to an MTB frame as the hand positions are a lot different.
 
The Curve Walmer bars are comfy as fuck and you can get them relatively wide too -

 
I know that this isn't the first MTB with drop bars but how are they really? Does the different geometry like the reach make it difficult to get right when fitting drop bars?

You used to be able to do this without too many problems, Maybe half size down and a slightly shorter stem.

These days harder given the geometries have gone longer and the stems are short as they can be. Also the trail is a bit munted too. Maybe with a long travel you get a bit more stack but you'd have to find a corresponding longer fork a2c which is hard. You could probably get around it with a whole or more size down frame but then it's seatposts to heaven look.
 
Yeah this.

The reach on a frame designed for drop bars is generally shorter to an MTB frame as the hand positions are a lot different.

This ^

Posted this a few times, the reach of a set of drop bars is around 70mm, then 30mm for the hoods. Putting your hands around 100mm further forward than when running flat bars.
Definitely factor this in if buying a modern MTB frame for drop bars as it will make the fit impossible. I run a 32mm stem on mine to bring the bars to where they were needed but that is a 2012 frame with shorter reach overall back then, the 32mm is a perfect fit for riding on the hoods.

Not my bike, just a random internet picture.

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Super-steep seat angles on some modern hardtails don't translate well to gravel bikes IMO (unless you really want to run seatposts with masses of set-back.
 
Super-steep seat angles on some modern hardtails don't translate well to gravel bikes IMO (unless you really want to run seatposts with masses of set-back.

I still keep an eye out for Niner One9, MCR9 or Air9. All in the Reynolds steel from circa 2010-2013, a Singular or Spot would be good buy from that era too. Basically a modern gravel/adventure bike geo, but fits 2.4 x 29 rear... only downside is getting a good straight steer fork and 142mm QR rear spacing.

Saying that, a few years earlier they were riding DH with QR's so its plenty for gravel.
 
Well, it's an anomaly... A Banshee anomaly.
(from Banshee's FB page)

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If ever there was a bike that fitted the use case for a pair of Gevanelle shifters (Tektro brake levers with Microsoft thumb shifters added in front of the hoods) then it's this one.

I run them on the Niner RLT9 roadie and if I was ever dumb enough to put a drop bar on the Twinzer (it would definitely work with one) then I'd run them there as well.

If I want an aero position on the 'Twinzer' gravel bike then I move my hands inboard on the bar to either side of the stem...
 
I still keep an eye out for Niner One9, MCR9 or Air9. All in the Reynolds steel from circa 2010-2013, a Singular or Spot would be good buy from that era too. Basically a modern gravel/adventure bike geo, but fits 2.4 x 29 rear... only downside is getting a good straight steer fork and 142mm QR rear spacing.

Saying that, a few years earlier they were riding DH with QR's so its plenty for gravel.

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Yeah this.

The reach on a frame designed for drop bars is generally shorter to an MTB frame as the hand positions are a lot different.
Yeah, I was chatting to @Tubbsy about my gravel bike last weekend and it got me to thinking about putting straight bars on my gravel ride. Then I rode it and got up out of the saddle. What you say above became really apparent. With the shorter reach on that bike running flat bars would make pedaling out of the saddle very awkward, even if I added another 50mm onto the stem.
 
Yeah, I was chatting to @Tubbsy about my gravel bike last weekend and it got me to thinking about putting straight bars on my gravel ride. Then I rode it and got up out of the saddle. What you say above became really apparent. With the shorter reach on that bike running flat bars would make pedaling out of the saddle very awkward, even if I added another 50mm onto the stem.
I just can't get on with drop bars. I never go down there on my roadie commuter, and if I ever replaced it I'd want a flat bar gravel bike.

Maybe flat bar gravel bike could be a new product category? Maybe make the tyres slightly fatter as well? People would buy that shit I reckon.
 
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