Electric Vehicles etc

dancaseyimages

Mountain bike pornographer
how does that work ?
Had to google it myself
Hyundai's IONIQ 5 has two 22-volt sockets and an optional solar panel roof (theceomagazine.com)

A vehicle-to-load system allows for the charging of bicycles, scooters, camping equipment, TVs and other electrical devices directly from the car’s lithium-ion battery. Imagine you’re feeling peckish or thirsty. Plug in the toaster or put the kettle on for a brew. The options are endless.

Awesome camping vehicle for E-MTBer's you could have your tent setup, and charge your bike while its locked in the car.
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
The Hyundai is one of the few electric cars to allow the car to run as a battery pack. Was cool to watch it in action powering a couple or Karchers.

The electric ford f trucks apparently will have a powerboard in the frunk which would be amazing on job sites/camping etc
Best Froot execution yet. Compared to Mercedes, VW, Nissan and Hyundai/Kia with no under bonnet storage at all….
 

MasterOfReality

After forever
The EVs are starting to appear on our radar.

Currently we have (well the missus drives it 99% of the time) a CX9 we bought to haul 3 kids around in baby/booster seats. One is completely done with them, the other two will follow over the next 3 years. In reality right now we don't need a car as big as that anymore. That car is basically the shopping trolley/daycare/school/MIL shuttle.

It isn't the fuel cost aspect driving this change, its basically the desire to downsize a land yacht that isn't being used to its full capacity.

We still have some time (a couple of years I would like to think) as I'd like to get solar power installed first which means a bit of research on that front - max capacity, battery or not, 3 phase implications, what type of charger for the garage etc etc.

I think in the next few years the EV options will look even better. To me they look good right now, albeit a little pricey for stuff with decent range.
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
Paid 2.30 for 98 today - the megane took 120 bucks and the light wasnt even on!

Bloody awesome! Still way too cheap, but a solid move in the right direction. If it were me, I'd set it at $5 tomorrow and ramp it up at least $2 a year. Make diesel at least $2 dearer.

Make the masses have a hard think about their fuel and their dumb arse suv habit.
 

Cardy George

Piercing rural members since 1981
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Paid 2.30 for 98 today - the megane took 120 bucks and the light wasnt even on!

Bloody awesome! Still way too cheap, but a solid move in the right direction. If it were me, I'd set it at $5 tomorrow and ramp it up at least $2 a year. Make diesel at least $2 dearer.

Make the masses have a hard think about their fuel and their dumb arse suv habit.
Someone got up on the wrong side of the bowser........

But I see where you're going with it.
 

cokeonspecialtwodollars

Fartes of Portingale
Paid 2.30 for 98 today - the megane took 120 bucks and the light wasnt even on!

Bloody awesome! Still way too cheap, but a solid move in the right direction. If it were me, I'd set it at $5 tomorrow and ramp it up at least $2 a year. Make diesel at least $2 dearer.

Make the masses have a hard think about their fuel and their dumb arse suv habit.
Because that won't have any flow on effect through transport companies, primary producers and public transport.
 

cokeonspecialtwodollars

Fartes of Portingale
Of course it will. Big time. It will be a fundamental rearranging of the entire bloody economy.

And it needs to happen ….
True, however there isn't a politician alive that would even consider introducing something like that let alone be able to get party support. The people have to want it first and sadly we (the collective 'we' of course) just don't.
 

Scotty T

Walks the walk
Of course it will. Big time. It will be a fundamental rearranging of the entire bloody economy.
Totally agree , the majority of the population are motivated by cost , so expensive fuel is our friend not the enemy.
CBF digging back to where I've said this on multiple occasions in the CC thread and this one. Bring that shit on, I love drinking the tears of people who are whinging about the price of petrol. It fucking costs the planet more than 5 bucks a litre fools.

Rode the ebikes in again this morning, mid drive upgrade imminent, it's an uneasy feeling having the missus behind me while I'm spinning like a Telsa motor and I can hear her freewheel coasting.
 

Haakon

has an accommodating arse
True, however there isn't a politician alive that would even consider introducing something like that let alone be able to get party support. The people have to want it first and sadly we (the collective 'we' of course) just don't.
The so-called "people" are a bunch of ill informed uncaring idiots. Individually you'll find some who get it, but on the whole and on average - morons.

So it needs actual leadership.... And thats not exactly in good supply these days.
 

beeb

Dr. Beebenson, PhD HA, ST, Offset (hons)
The so-called "people" are a bunch of ill informed uncaring idiots. Individually you'll find some who get it, but on the whole and on average - morons.

So it needs actual leadership.... And thats not exactly in good supply these days.
There's a whole bunch of work that needs to be done around this though. @Scotty T's assumption that everyone should just change over to electric won't work on a widescale enviromental sense (more new vehicles still creates a huge amounts of emissions), or for most people in an individual/family finances perspective. ie: electric vehicle are expensive as fuck.

I'd love to see a huge ramp up in fuel prices over several years, but with all fuel excise (including the existing 40+cents per litre) funneled into increased public transport - with additional routes and frequency. Melbourne's outer suburbs are a shining example of just how lacking public transport is. Everything 5km+ seems to involve a bus, train and bus again with 20 minute waits in between. When you can drive somewhere in 10-15 minutes, or take over an hour to get there on the disjointed, indirect and infrequent public transport network, people chose to drive. Public transport will never be as fast as driving a personal vehicle with having to make all the additional stops along the way, but at least if you could travel somewhat directly and close to your destination I believe far more people would use it - especially if personal vehicle use was cost-prohibitive enough to reduce congestion on the roads. With hybrid and electric buses rapidly becoming rapidly more commonplace, it's where I see the (ground-extraction and construction) resources best directed*.

*Even ignoring my vested interest of being related to my current employment.
 

Asininedrivel

caviar connoisseur
I'd love to see a huge ramp up in fuel prices over several years, but with all fuel excise (including the existing 40+cents per litre) funneled into increased public transport - with additional routes and frequency. Melbourne's outer suburbs are a shining example of just how lacking public transport is. Everything 5km+ seems to involve a bus, train and bus again with 20 minute waits in between. When you can drive somewhere in 10-15 minutes, or take over an hour to get there on the disjointed, indirect and infrequent public transport network, people chose to drive. Public transport will never be as fast as driving a personal vehicle with having to make all the additional stops along the way, but at least if you could travel somewhat directly and close to your destination I believe far more people would use it - especially if personal vehicle use was cost-prohibitive enough to reduce congestion on the roads. With hybrid and electric buses rapidly becoming rapidly more commonplace, it's where I see the (ground-extraction and construction) resources best directed*.
^^^^ THAT is the solution. Effective public transport is the only way, at least for major cities. Just supplanting our current ICE fleet for an EV fleet = planet still fucked, probably even more so given the enormous environmental costs involved in manufacturing new vehicles and disposing of the old ones.
 

dancaseyimages

Mountain bike pornographer
There's a whole bunch of work that needs to be done around this though. @Scotty T's assumption that everyone should just change over to electric won't work on a widescale enviromental sense (more new vehicles still creates a huge amounts of emissions), or for most people in an individual/family finances perspective. ie: electric vehicle are expensive as fuck.

I'd love to see a huge ramp up in fuel prices over several years, but with all fuel excise (including the existing 40+cents per litre) funneled into increased public transport - with additional routes and frequency. Melbourne's outer suburbs are a shining example of just how lacking public transport is. Everything 5km+ seems to involve a bus, train and bus again with 20 minute waits in between. When you can drive somewhere in 10-15 minutes, or take over an hour to get there on the disjointed, indirect and infrequent public transport network, people chose to drive. Public transport will never be as fast as driving a personal vehicle with having to make all the additional stops along the way, but at least if you could travel somewhat directly and close to your destination I believe far more people would use it - especially if personal vehicle use was cost-prohibitive enough to reduce congestion on the roads. With hybrid and electric buses rapidly becoming rapidly more commonplace, it's where I see the (ground-extraction and construction) resources best directed*.

*Even ignoring my vested interest of being related to my current employment.
Canberra is the same, we moved out of Canberra because we weren't saving anything by using public transport when it took 3 hours to get from one side of town to another on a bus, in what could be done in a car in 20-30 minutes, doing that three times a week (at after hours uni) whilst working full time wasn't the best use of time. I get the stops have to happen but reducing from 4+ original routes down to only a few means the bus just takes ages to cover alot of ground that used to be split and very easily fit within an hour.

Parking aside we have saved money by moving just outside of Canberra, closer to the airport, my work provides an electric bus which means I can do the bike commute to one office, then get the Departmental bus to my office.

Instead at the moment, I choose to ride a motorbike. And use an app which should calculate the cost of fuel and trips over the next few months (needs more data entered to be reliable) Fuelio is the app for those who want to check it out.
Rounds an average 30km trip to about 90cents, but an expense for the month was the $250 service price so I think that adds to the calculation.

I sold my ute at the start of the Pandemic, purely because the cost of having two vehicles for a household of two people wasn't the smarter choice (I also have another ute which is getting historic rego for days we need to move items), and we drove the Tesla 3 and loved it, since then we have driven the Volvo but the ground clearance put that on hold until we could secure the Tesla Y (Accidental scrape into the Tesla servicing point in Canberra secured the view that the 3 was a little low for a country road/property)
The incentive for the Tesla is that we spend 90% of our time driving short trips to the office and home.

This is just my view though, and its a solution we talked about for a while, added to the bike fund for a new bike for myself and means we put more towards mortgage and other life expenses.
 
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